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NO: 20 JAN 89 - The Zenith Montpellier

Recently obtained an audience recording for this show which is an amalgamtion of first and second-generation recordings. The first gen was done with an Aiwa recorder and presumably built-in mics, since it has a narrow stereo field typical with those sorts of units.

Scan of setlist: https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/aid/16178/NEW_ORDER_SETLIST_1989.html

Scan of ticket: https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/aid/16179/NEW_ORDER_TICKET_1989.html

The tape starts off with a couple minutes of 1988-era techno which at some point I'll try to identify. As it plays, fans cheer the band coming onstage.

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

BS: "Thank you very much, we're New Order."

(at end)

BS: "Merci beaucoup".

Ceremony follows.

True_Faith

BS: "Thank you, this is True Faith"

There's echo on Bernard's mic, causing the last words to be repeated.

Here, he sings "they're afraid what they see" but adds, "That's the drugs we all take" on the following line.

The song inexplicably cuts out midway! There's a substantial pause, followed by an edit, and then the house PA blares A Guy Called Gerald's "Voodoo Ray" while (presumably) the band sort out the technical issues.

According to 'hedfro hedfro', who was there, this was due to a power cut.

Subculture then is played, the penultimate time that New Order would play this song live.

BS: "Thank you.

Something beats against Bernard's mic.

Dream_Attack

BS: "Er, We're gonna play a new song now, off our new album. It's called "My breath smells like garlic."

_1963_

Bernard addresses the technical difficulties they've been having.

BS: "Thank you. Please bear with us. We'll do everything we can to make sure you have a good night.

Vanishing_Point

BS: "Thank you. We're gonna play a new song now, it's called Vanishing Point. I know you don't understand anything that I'm saying, but it doesn't matter, does it?"

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

Hooky says something about wanting more of that, hard to make out, as this and the succeeding three tracks are taken from a poorer-quality source.

Huge squeal of feedback.

PH: "Thank you."

Age_Of_Consent follows. Lots of audience participation where this was taped, at one point the clapping is louder than the music!

Temptation follows.

The_Perfect_Kiss

BS: "Well, I don't know what to say because I can't speak French. I can't even speak fucking English. So good luck and all the best. This is The Perfect KIss."

(at end)

BS: "Thank you, good night."

Encore

True_Faith

Guitar strum.

BS: "We're gonna..."

Can't make out rest, presumably it was addressed to playing True Faith again, since their first attempt didn't go well.

Fine_Time closes out the set, as the tape ends abruptly.


NO: 21 JAN 89 Transbordeur - Lyon

Another condenser mic recording.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

Intro on this is cut.

(at end)

BS: "Merci"

True_Faith

BS: "Thank you."

Age_Of_Consent

lyric: "Just what the fuck you want me to."

Hooky plays some filler bass strumming in between tracks.

Dream_Attack

BS: "Thank you. That's called Dream Attack."

_1963_

(at end)

BS: "'k you."

Vanishing_Point

BS: "Uh, we're gonna play a new song off our new album. The song's called Vanishing Point and the album's called Technique. It's good as well."

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

BS: "Decop [french?]...all right, we'll play something you don't know then. Just to be nice."

Bernard says something at the end, perhaps also in French.

Fans shout out for their favorites..."Blue Monday"..."Sex Machine"...

BS: "Well, I'm trying to think of something witty to say, but I'm not very witty. I'm just creamy."

Mr_Disco

BS: "This is another new song, it's called, eh, Mr. Disco. MEESTAH DISCO. Let's get it fookin' started."

Subculture

BS: "Thank you. (in nasally French-type voice) Right, we'll play an old song, but it's translated to French. 'How we fuck'."

lyric: "But being a big bastard / I don't give a fucking shit."

BS: "Muchas gracias."

The_Perfect_Kiss

Very beginning is missing.

Internal cut at about 0:45 in.

BS: "Thank you."

Ceremony

Hooky plays the wrong strings for the intro.

BS: "Thank you."

Temptation

Bernard says something after the "it's no joke" line.

BS: "Thank you. Goddammit."

Fans stomp and cheer for an encore.

Funeral For A Viking comes on.

BS: "Don't kill yourself. Erm, we're going to do our new, the latest single, Fine Time, and then we got 'Do The Ostrich', and we're not going back offstage first.

During the break, right before the vocodered voice.

PH: "What do you fucking know anyway? Fucking lot."

BS: "Merci Beaucoup"

I presume that Do_The_Ostrich was played...the tape cuts out right before it starts.


NO; 26 FEB 89 Big World Cafe

Great lightshow, Barney's wearing a white Nehru-like jumper...he's all in white. Hooky's on the Shergold being the bass god that he is, and Gillian and Stephen are doing

Vanishing_Point is played.

Round_And_Round

(at the end)

BS: "Thank you."

Run

At the end, Bernard states, "I'm sorry, but that's all we can do."

Placeholder entry. More to come.


NO: 25 MAR 89 Glasgow S.E.C.C. "SECCstasy" - Glasgow Scotland

According to Colin Kerr

> Thanks for your replies etc. I've had a look at the Gigography and its some > work. I was looking at the tracklisting for a concert I was at and of which > there is a bootleg MP3 on CDROM (that anthology1-8 person) and the tracklist > is wrong. The concert being Glasgow 89. But thats just a by note and I'm > not going to kick up a fuss.

And From GaoBest (Mike):

> Also has anyone heard the 3-25-89 Glasgow FM and audience recordings? > Aside from a song difference, during BLT on the audience tape you can hear > Barney say "turn the bass down" or something mid-song, and this part is > edited out on the FM tape.

He also reports that Hook made a "cute comment regarding a Michael Jackson cover or something like that". I don't have this in my copy it seems...I have evidence there's more than one mastering of the FM broadcast available for this gig.

And here's a write up!

This is taken from both the FM broadcast (with 'All The Way' from an audience version added on as a bonus track.) and one of the audience versions.

My FM tape case has the following label "F.M. A- Dolby B"...the quality is about second-generation, so the A- designation is accurate. The audience tape sounds like first generation, which I have on a CD GaoBest loaned me.

The tape case has the following printed on it...appears to be a copy of the ticket stub or a flier...

Neworder

Concert

Presented by Phil McIntyre

Plus A Guy Called Gerald (Glasgow): SE+CC Glasgow, Hall 4. Saturday 25th March 1989. Doors open 6:30pm. Tickets (9 quid) advance (subject to agent's Booking Fee) UNRESERVED STANDING.
Available from Virgin Records Glasgow and Edinburgh and all TOCTA agents

Intro by Alan Wise

AW: "Uh, my name's Rushdie, Salman Rushdie, and I've been asked by Bernard Sumner to read this poem that he's written for you just prior to going on. Are you ready for it?"

(first paragraph only appears on the audience version)

AW: "There was a pop band called New Order. They loved doing concerts north of the border. They listened to Bowie, Velvets, and Iggy... but they simply preferred Sir Henry Lauder... Ladies and Gentlemen, the last remaining pop band, rock band in the whole world, the Western Hemisphere...NEW ORDER!"

(FM version has: "let's introduce to you...NEW ORDER!")

BS: "Thank you."

BS: "One two." (only present on audience tape)

Mr_Disco

BS: "This is Mr Disco."

This version has samples in it: "Barcelona", etc. delivered with the same vocoder effect has heard on Fine Time.

BS: "Thank you. Have the sequencers up, Charlie!"

Ceremony

After their newest song, why not play their oldest?

GaoBest reports that the audience tape also has the crowd "singing" along to the instrumental beginning in "Ceremony".

BS: "Thank you."

Dream_Attack

Guitar sound is fab.

BS: "Thank you."

Vanishing_Point

Audience tape version has a small dropout (right channel mostly) shortly before the 3:00 mark.

BS: "Thank you very much."

Loveless

This song makes its debut here. A bit of strumming beforehand.

PH: "Bernard's got a new album out, you see..."

Vocals are noticably flat, but the instrumentation is good. At various points you can hear a female fan natter here and there (right channel).

BS: "Thank you."

PH: "Eh, getting on Michael Jackson right now...just got it, took a while". The bizarre thing is that up to this point Barney hadn't said anything!

PH: "Yeah?"

Run

The first time New Order play this song to an audience, I believe. More nattering by that same fan at parts.

BS: "Thank you very much indeed. We've not played here in Glasgow for a very long time...well, I don't really know why."

On the FM version, you can hear about 1-2 sec of an announcer saying "There's more live music from...", confirming that this was sourced from the FM broadcast.

_1963_

"Oh, Johnny do you miss me baby...I will always miss you" emerges as an a capella coda.

BS: "Thank you."

What is interesting is that the audience tape version has tons of echo on the "thank you".

All_The_Way

This was omitted from the FM broadcast, and is also the debut performance of this song.

Interesting lyrical variation:

"It takes years to be a man...to be apart from what you've done." (the LP has "to find the nerve")

The guitar middle eight is also in a different key, and has a somewhat different sound, if "different" is what you want to call it.

After they're done, Bernard strums his guitar a bit, and then talks to the audience.

BS: "Sorry about that. But I admit that it was shit. The next one's gonna be good through, because it's all done on the computers."

Round_And_Round is played and then True_Faith, which has about 40 seconds or so of tuning up (not on FM version) before the Order start in.

Another long pause (over 30 seconds), of course edited out of the FM version. Consists of lots of guitar noodling.

The drum lead into Temptation is a bit strange, but then somebody turns on the sequencers and it sounds like...well, Temptation.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Thank you. We're trying to make this song obvious, see."

About a minute and a half in Bernard shouts "Turn the fucking bass amp down"...about two minutes and ten seconds, he then says "Turn the bass drum down." A bit later on, after one of the "fall down on my knees and pray" lines, he sneaks in "turn the foldback up" right before the next line. He's really good with sneaking in directions like that.

Near the end of the song, he says "Thank you, good night". Ends in feedback.

(encore)

Edit of announcer saying "Stand by in a few seconds time...for tonight's concert from New Order" (said announcer has a Scots accent, of course)

BS: "We're back."

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

Lots of funk-style guitar on this one. Ace version.

Bernard leaves out the "before" in the "so desperately before" line.

Fine_Time

The synth line comes in before TBTHOG comes to a close.

This version is slightly different than the recorded version, as there's a part where Bernard repeats "too young" twice over a bass rift...this may be a remnant of the original version of "Much Too Young".

The vocoder cuts out for a split second, and you can hear Barney's voice! Hooky plays the first bars of the outro bass off key, but shortly gets things back in tune...he closes things out with a solo, with a drum fill coming in before the end, to raptuous applause.


NO: 26 MAR 89 Birmingham N.E.C.C. - Birmingham, England

Tape from my archives, apparently a mixer. This is notated as being first generation. There's a bit of bleeding on this one (only audible on very quiet passages) and "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "Temptation" are missing.

Intro by Alan Wise

(not present on the mixer version but is on audience versions)

AW: "One, yes, it's that fabulous time of the evening. I did have a prepared speech for you but I'm not going to use it. How's that going to help the revolution of the proletariat? Anyway [crowd at this point starts shoting NUORDER] I want to introduce to you a really fabulous group of boys and girls who've come from, uh, Altrincham. Ah, New Order!"

Appears on MP3 Dub of 'Decadence' bootleg, off New Order Anthology Part Two. It's fast when compared to the mixer tape.

There's a few dropouts with may or may not be present on the original LP, but I suspect this MP3s were made from dubs from those albums. The dropouts don't appear on the tape version taken from the mixing desk source.

Opening starts with Hooky's bass, and then sequencers kick in.

BS: "Thank you."

Mr_Disco

Features vocodered "Barcelona", etc.

BS: "Thank you."

Sound of guitar being plugged out and back in.

Dream_Attack

PH: "Yeah, what's that? Right on, brother."

Good lead/harmony vocals.

More guitar swapping, it sounds like.

Vanishing_Point

Part of intro is Hooky running his pick up and down a string.

Piano note hit.

_1963_

lyric: 'he would tell me how it' (dropped out) "used to be, for that special occasion, 1963"

BS: "Thank you."

More guitars being swapped out.

Run

Debut for this song.

PH: "What do you want next, kids?" (guitar strum) "Ah, you're all wrong. As per usual."

After song finishes...

BS: "Thank you."

All_The_Way

Debut for this song. Some minor differences.

Bernard sings, "Or lecture me with bullshit" (instead of 'poetry'), and "and so this is what you can" (instead of 'hurt when when they can')

And "I don't give a damn about what those jerks say" (instead of illiteracites)
Guitar line is a bit different, as well. This suggests that both All The Way (and Guilty Partner, not played live until 1998) were developed latest out of the Technique set, as all the other songs sound similar to their recorded versions.

Unique guitar interlude before the Order perform True_Faith.

BS: "Thank you."

Ceremony

A/B split on one certain audience verison is at this point.

Ends with more picks scraping guitar strings, as well as Hooky

BS: "Thank you."

Unique guitar interlude before the Order perform True_Faith

Another edit here (on audience version)

Round_And_Round

The opening sequencer bit is a bit off.

Last part is cut, likely the cassette the mixer was copied to ran out of space. The next two songs (Bizarre Love Triangle and Temptation) are missing from the mixer version, but are present on audience versions.

BS: "Thank you."

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

(at end)

BS: "Thank you very much....Jason."

Temptation

BS: "Thank you, good night!"

Hooky ends the main set with an extended bass vamp.

Fine__Time

BS: "This is what happens when you've got too much E."

Vocodored bits are really good. Hooky's solo is a bit off-key.

PH: "You know it started that wrong again, eh?" (not sure if that's what he said)

Quite a bit of guitar strumming and plug-ins.

The_Perfect_Kiss

Bernard strums the guitar in the manner I've heard before in a few other TPKs.

PH: "Very quiet tonight. Is there shouting, "Fuck off" or... Oh, sorry, did I speak? Fucking hell. That's better. Now I know you're obnoxious.

Really good rendition. Ends with the moaning woman, the Stockholm Monsters bit, and bass rumbling and guitar feedback.

BS: "Thank you very much, good night, everyone at Birmingham. Good night."


NO: 11 APR 89 Knight Center - Miami, Florida

Johnathan Scott writes the following, originally published in Paradise Vol 2.:

"The Noise inside Miami's Knight Centre is colossal. It's two years since New Order played in the USA and those lucky enough to have tickets are demanding the bands presence. As they appear, you just know that this is going to be a special occasion. Opening with 'Dream Attack', New Order are in command from the word go. There is none of the crushing violence that is usually displayed at their gigs, just massed, synchronised up-on-seats dancing. Between songs the voices of the British fans who've made it across the Atlantic can be heard above the American roar, only to be greeted by Peter Hook's comment, "We came 4000 miles to get away from you bastards!" The die-hard Brits are not going to be disappointed however, as 'Ceremony' cries from the ungrateful sod's bass, prompting one smart arse American to ask, "Do you think they'll play any other 'Joy Division' songs?" NO PAL, THEY WON'T.

Tonight, it's disco. '1963' drives the crowd wild. There's something wrong however, Barney's lyrics coming in far too early. The audience don't notice or perhaps even care. The sound is brilliant. They encore with 'Fine Time', Miami explodes. No longer does Barney stand motionless centre stage. Mic in hand, he plays homage to Happy Mondays' Bez with his out-of-time shadow boxing dance.

For most of the punters the night is over, but for those lucky enough to have passes it has only just begon. An 'Aftershow' has been arranged at the 'CLUB NU' on 22nd Street. About 300 guest list, lucky fans, and local radio competition winners cram into what is hailed as Miami's first acid-house disco. It takes half an hour to order a drink and the prices are extortionate but who cares, the music is brilliant and unbelievably alien to the Yanks.

Some time later new Order arrive, not surprisingly without Peter Hook. The remarkable thing is that the band are still quite faceless and are unnoticed as they mingle with the unsuspecting crowd. For Stephen Morris this can only be described as thankful. A brilliant drummer he may be, but dancefloor skills elude him almost completely."

[spelling errors, including the first name of the author, corrected]


NO: 12 APR 1989 Bayfront Arena - St. Petersburg, FL

Johnathan Scott writes the following, originally published in Paradise Vol 2.:

"I have been told that "St. Pete" is a quiet relaxed town. Lies. The standing section of the Bayfront Arena plays host to a seething mass of violent American youth, vying for pole position at the front of the stage. Fights break out and long before the band are due on several younger fans are helped from the crowd. This is definitely a much more British affair.

9:45: New Order to stage. Although the set the band deliver is virtually identical to the previous evenings, the show is very different. Barney is in a sedate mood. Hook is simply in a mood. One boy at the front makes the mistake of touching his bass and narrowly escapes the famous biker boots in return. Another lad makes it onto the stage only to have one of those boots send him backin to the crowd.

Tonight they encore with 'Blue Monday'. It is quite brilliant, Stephen Morris making the song unique with the Emulators 'Orchestral' samples.

[spelling errors, including the first name of the author, corrected]


NO: 14 APR 1989 O'Connell Center - Gainesville, Florida

Johnathan Scott writes the following, originally published in Paradise Vol 2.:

"The American audiences can very dramatically from gig to gig. This is demonstrated in Gainsville (a college town), and the last date in Florida. Although many thousands of people have come to the vast O'Connell centre, there is none of the 'ladishness' shown in St. Petersburg. The audience aren't completely calm but there not far off it. This is no reflection on the bands performance however which is one of the most exciting I've seen. Peter Hook is really getting into it tonight. At one point he goes so low his bass strikes the stage so sharply that within a few seconds it has to be replaced. Even though the band are un-polished onstage the atmosphere they create is electric. Barney neels down at the front of the stage screaming the words of 'Bizarre Love Triangle'. He even acknowledged some fans in the crowd.

They have proven that they really can entertain constantly with these gigs and it can only be hoped that British fans can expect more of the same in the near future."

[spelling errors, including the first name of the author, corrected]


NO: 15 APR 89 Southern Star Amphitheatre - Atlanta, Georgia

A remastered version of 'Silence' is now available, thanks to Drew Crumbaugh. I'll be using that version to complete this writeup.

Loveless is also available off of MP3 dub off 'Decadence', available on New Order Anthology Disk 2. Some of the other tracks are also available off a parallel set of MP3s I have of various Technique live tracks found on Soulseek.

There's also BV's Sony D3 recording...

Fine_Time

Still, nobody has a clear idea what the vocodered voice is saying. (since revealed as 'Esctasy')

BS: "Thank you. That was 'Fine Time'. Now we're gonna play...a different song."

Dream_Attack

I like the intro, with its paired acoustic/electric guitars.

Ceremony

BS: "'Q, what Stevie m.... , steal it back." [not sure what he says here]

Punter comments that he liks Shellshock.

Run

Some noodling as the song starts up...the intro drum comes in strangely.

BS: "You work your way to the top of the world / Then you break your balls in two"

The Order then proceed to perform Vanishing_Point.

BS: "Thank you...woah, woah, whoa...woah."

Then a bit of a silence, followed by Your_Silent_Face.

Loveless

A girl asks "need a light?" before the band start in.

I had speculated that the 'Silence' CD was mastered from vinyl or has a prior vinyl release based on some crackling I heard on this track, but that seems to not be audible in Drew's remaster.

This is the same version as BV's recording, which I think is otherwise different than the 'Silence' recording. There's an edit after this song there.

Mr_Disco

The MP3 of this has this very annoying chattering throughout.

There's also annoying digital skips throughout on the MP3 compilation version. The live version of this track features vocodered bits in different language.

BS: "Fire the bass sequencer, side(?), anyone."

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

Diginoise between 1:05 and 1:22 of Drew's version not present on my original copy.

BS: "Thank you."

Temptation follows.

The_Perfect_Kiss

BS: "Charlie, get Hooky's bass on the side fill."

True_Faith

BS: "Sorry we took so long to come back on stage but when you didn't cheer we thought you didn't want us. So then we took some cocaine. So that's why we're back."

(hard to make this out)

Features the "Now that we've grown up together, they're all taking DRUGS with me" line and "a valued destiny that comes to fuck all" as lyrical variations.

BS: "Thank you."

Johnathan Scott's account, from Paradise #3:

"We've missed 'Throwing Musses' (this is half of the tour's support) and within minutes New Order appear on stage introduced by Andy Robinson (major tour member). Straight into 'Fine Time', the sound is brilliant, and the audience (some are very young) are treated to a display of New Order at their very best, (best behaviour as well!" 'Your Silent Face' without swearing and amiable inter-song chat. Until the end that is. The band leave the stange and it looks as if there's no encore but ten to fifteen minutes later they reappear and Barney addresses the slightly depleted audience; "Sorry we took so long to come back on stage but when you didn't cheer, we thought you didn't want us. So then we took some cocaine and that's why we're back." A good reason if ever there was one!

'True Faith': "When I was a very small boy, very small boys talked to me, now that we've grown up together, they're all taking drugs with me. That's the price that we all pay when valued destiny comes to f*** all...."

This is the best version of 'True Faith' I've heard and probably the best I'll ever hear."


NO: 16 APR 89 Saenger Theatre - New Orleans, Louisiana

'Face Up' taken off MP3 dub of 'Decadence' bootleg, which appears on New Order Anthology Disk Two. Other sources have appeared since then of the entire show.

The sound is pretty crummy, which could be due to the original source, but according to Jonathan Scott's account, the sound desk was having major issues. Read on:

"New Orleans: Talk about 'Welcome to the Jungle'. The Saenger Theatore is in the cities French quarter is tonight's venue, and what a place. The area is a bit rougher than I think most of you would like. Parking your car in a spot where it will almost definitely get stolen, we make our way inside. Once again, we miss the 'Throwing Muses' and before long New Order enter stage left. The audience are a bit lethargic and this is highlighted when Barney askes one of the security men if he will dance.

'Your Silent Face' and 'Blue Monday' are tonight's treats but the sound desk seems to be damaged and loud electrical crackles plague the gig. Unfortunately the car has not been stolen. This means I have no reason not to drive to Gainsville the same night. No fun. Within a couple of hours I'll be arrested for speeding in Alabama then miss my flight to Miami.

Fine Time!"

Announcer: "Yo, Fat Harry in the house here. Hello to all of you in the French Order. Put your hands in the air for FUCKING NEW ORDER!!!". This truly has to be heard to be believed.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Thank you, Harry. A very good friend. We're New Order and this is Bizarre Love Triangle."

(at end)

BS: "Thank you."

Dream_Attack

(at end)

BS: "Thank you!". Brief bit of guitar strumming.

Ceremony

A bit of guitar strumming between this and the next one, All_The_Way.

Vanishing_Point

(at end)

BS: "Thank you".

Loveless follows. They'd stop playing this one shortly thereafter.

Your_Silent_Face

You can actually hear talking over the PA about the various 'electrical failures'. I'd assume this was CB radio getting picked up inadvertently, and part of what Jonathan above was referring to.

voices: "Can't hear anything...hello...hello...Here?...yah...miller miller' 'Here? Yah...something's wrong because..."

Mr_Disco

BS: "This is Mr Disco..." (in Mexican accent) "Meestah Disco".

BS: "Muchas Gracias".

Most audience recordings have the A/B split here.

Round_And_Round

(at end)

BS: "Yo!"

Face_Up

You can definitely hear crackle through the PA with the bass drum.

Bernard whoops a couple of times.

He sings "I don't care about your hair" instead of what he usually sings. Probably due to forgetting the lyrics.

The guitar near the end of the song seems very out-of-tune, but isn't mixed very high.

Temptation follows.

Blue_Monday

More crackle.

BS: "Let's get these people rocking in the front. And the security guys as well."

lyric: "If it wasn't for your big penis, I'd be a heavenly person today."

There's a long (must have been well over ten minutes) break between the main set and the encore...one audience version does capture about half of this.

Fine_Time

Fine guitar squall at the start of this.

The_PerfectKiss

BS: "Thank you. This is the last song we're going to play tonight, and it's called Perfect Kiss."

Unusual in that it starts out with the female moaning sample. Apparently they were having issues getting this going, as it doesn't look like they had intended to play this at all, but I guess they figured New Orleans deserved it.

BS: "We're just waiting for it to load into our computer."

Mentions "big fat cock", of course.


NO: 20 APR 89 City Colisum, Austin TX

Second-gen source (Sony WM-D3). Sound isn't particularly great.

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God starts the set.

BS: "Hello, we're New Order."

Ceremony

After the "Forever, where did he go?", Bernard quips:

BS: "He fucked off back to England, that's where he went."

BS: "Thank you, wer're going to play a song off Technique now called Dream_Attack. So make this mic a bit higher".

Steve plays the drums, and then pauses for the click track to start.

Run follows.

Vanishing_Point

BS: "Thank you. We're going to liven things up now by playing a couple of slower songs."

(at end)

BS: "Thank you."

_1963_ follows. A bit of a break between this and Your_Silent_Face and Mr_Disco.

Round_And_Round

(at end)

BS: "Thank you". There's a dropout at this point.

Temptation

BS: "Temptation."

Bizarre_Love_Triangle follows.

BS: "Thank you."

The_Perfect_Kiss concludes the main set.

BS: "Thank you. We always get asked why we don't do encores. Of course we do, and this is Fine_Time."


NO: 21 APR 89 Astroworld - Houston, Texas

http://worldinmotion.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=3334038731&f=9334038731&m=1124085831

anthonymiles writes:

i've seen them only once. i saw them play on the technique tour in houston at astroworld. i was estatic the whole show. it was an outdoor show, i had tickets on the lawn, some friends had reserved seats close to the stage and gladly risked bringing us into the section using the method of one person leaving reserved with 2 ticket stubs and handing it off, by the end of the show we were all in the reserved section bouncing up and down. i loved seeing them playing fine time complete with bernard singing the low effected vocals "you got love technique" circling his hands like locamotive wheels as he scooted accross the stage. i also seem to remember him replacing the "if it wasn't for your misfortunes" in blue mon with "if it wasn't for your big penis". loved the shirts, the pill, and especially the cherub, just wish they had been of higher quality, my cherub faded badly in under a year.

Setlist has finally surfaced, many thanks to the MDMArchive for sharing!

01. Round And Round
02. Ceremony
03. Dream Attack
04. All The Way
05. Vanishing Point
06. Your Silent Face
07. Touched By The Hand Of God
08. Mr Disco
09. True Faith
10. Temptation, tape flip, section missing 11. Bizarre Love Triangle
12. The Perfect Kiss
13. Blue Monday
14. Fine Time


NO: 27 APR 89 Universal Amphitheatre - Universal City, CA

Taken from MP3 dub of 'Decadence' bootleg LP, off New Order Anthology Part Two. Also have these in a "technique live" collection I got off Soulseek. Sound is very good.

Dream_Attack

BS: "Hi, we're New Order"

This version has a lot of soaring keyboards. Volume goes down at 2:20 mark.

BS: "'k you. Where are the sequencers, John?

Ceremony

BS: "'k you."

All_The_Way

Nice changed lyric:

"But I don't give a damn about what those fuckers say" (instead of "people")" Glitch in the MP3 at around the two minute mark.

BS: "Thank you. More(?) sequencers."

True_Faith

After "they're taking drugs with me line", Barney sings:

"That's the the price we all pay / The love when you're taking drugs today"

BS: "Thank you, thank you!" (not sure about last phrase)

Mr_Disco

Barney Says:
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/890427_01-GeneLovesJezebel.mp3

BS: "And on another note, I just heard that Gene Loves Jezebel have broken up. That makes me very happy."

There's a distinctive audio sample in this version during the bridge, featuring vocodered foreign-language phrases.

BS: "Thank you."

There's some guitar noodling between Every Little Counts and Vanishing Point.

BS: "Thank you very much. Thank you very much, indeed."

_1963_

BS: "For those of you who fly...I mean, it's got your own way in life. Los Angeles is a long way from England, and that's where it's gotten, so maybe it won't be so quiet in the future."

(what is he on about?)

Barney Says:
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/890427_02-TYVM.mp3

Right in the middle, Barney says "thank you, thank you very much, but the song is not finished."

BS: "Thank you"

Round_And_Round

The sequencers come in a bit strangely, mid-note.

BS: "'k you"

Temptation

A bit of a long pause before they fire up the sequencers for this one. The opening features some nice feedback squalls.

After doing "one-two-three-four", he yells out "uno-dos-tres-quattro!".

BS: "'k you"

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Thank you"

The_Perfect_Kiss

BS: "Thank you, good night!"

Blue_Monday

Intros with a unique orchestral sequence.

BS: "'k you"

Fine_Time

Ends in guitar and bass titterings.


NO: 28 APR 89 Universal Amphitheatre - Universal City, CA

Taken from MP3 dub of 'Decadence' bootleg LP from New Order Anthology Part Two. (bonus track) Sound is very good. Since then, I've gotten an audience version on CD (I suspect this is mastered from MP3 due to the brief spaces between tracks), also very good sounding that due to no fault of its own (besides where the taper chose to stand), suffers from LA Bird Chatter Syndrome, the particular phenomenon where some Valley Girls proceed to constantly talk through the tracks to the dismay of any future listeners.

Ceremony

BS: "Hello, ...feedback(?)"

Can't make out what he says here.

Tape source garbles for about 10 seconds from 0:48.

At about 4:25, one of those birds makes the remark, "I don't understand why those girls are even standing up, they're not even dancing..."

(afterwards)

BS: "'k you...thanks a lot".

A bit of guitar tuning before Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God.

lyric: "never knew it but of course I fucking was"

BS: "'k you."

NO then proceed to perform Dream_Attack and Run. For the most part the nattering seems to have stopped.

The end of Run has some guitar noodling.

True_Faith

Ack, the bird chirping is back, but at least is a fairly low volume.

Hooky says something like "I see your ar..." at around the 2:40 mark.

BS: "Thank you very much, you do. I believe Gene Loves Jezebel have not split up."

Your_Silent_Face

The levels on the CD drop for about 10 seconds from 0:38 to 0:48.

One of the females proceeds to talk through a part of the song, less noticable on the CD version comparied to the 'Decadance' version.

Barney Says:

http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/890428_01-JustFuckups.mp3"

"No lyrics, no sounds, no beat, no nothing, just fuckups."

And yes, Sumner fucks up the lyrics and doesn't mention anything about pissing up.

BS: "'k you."

Mr_Disco

A nice-sounding version of this one.

BS: "Thank you."

Vanishing_Point

BS: "Thanks a lot, this is Vanishing Point. This is where we... [can't make out]"

(MB version cuts at this point, resuming with "a movie...")

BS: "Thank you. This will explain something about that song. Whistle Down The Wind was a film, a movie, about uh, an escaped prisoner, who thought he was Christ."

See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055618/plotsummary

This gives more hints on Bernard's feelings on religion, as if Sunrise wasn't clear enough. Really interesting.

(lots of reverb on Barney's mike, by the way)

Round_And_Round is performed next.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "This is Bizarre Love (clears throat) Bizarre Love Triangle."

Lots of cheering here, of course.

BS: "Thank you. Thanks a lot, thanks very much."

The_Perfect_Kiss

lyric: "The perfect kiss is the kiss of death. 1-2."

BS: "'k you. Thank you very much. That the Edge? Can't dance like that...off a couple of the last of our other songs.

[not 100% sure of this]

Temptation

Bernard does the count-up in espanol: "Uno, Dos, Tres, Cuatro."

BS: "Thank you, good night". Punter cries for an encore, and by golly, gets one.

Every_Little_Counts

Hooky says something I can't make out, something like "In a twilight zone." This one gets far more cheering than I would have expected, and folks clap along.

Hooky makes a comment at about the 1:00 mark, something like "all right folks..."

The birds chatter for a bit.

lyric: "I guess I should have known, I'd beat you out a bone."

lyric: "Every second counts when I am fucking you..."

Fine_Time

BS: "Thank you. Now we're gonna end this set tonight with something a little bit faster than that. It's called Fine Time."

BS: "Thank you, goodnight LA. Wooh!"

Concert ends on Hooky's bass trilling and a single sustained bass note.


NO: 04 MAY 89 Q.E. Theatre - Vancouver

From GaoBest, who uncovers yet -another- gig missing from the
gigography (at the time of writing).

Hey, I guess I have played this tape. I saw it today and noticed that I wrote a tracklisting at some point of my life.

5-4-89 Q.E. Theatre, Vancouver

  1. touched by the hand of doug
  2. true faith (cut)
  3. dream attack
  4. all the way
  5. ceremony
  6. every second counts
  7. vanishing point
  8. mr. disco
  9. round & round
  10. temptation
  11. blt
  12. the perfect kiss
  13. blue monday
  14. fine time

total time is probably 70 minutes.

xox
mike

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=767&bid=693 (purported) Shoreline setlist from 1989-06-14:

Touched
True Faith
Dream Attack
All The Way
Ceremony
Every Second Counts
Vanishing Point
Mr Disco
Round & Round
Temptation
BLT
Perfect Kiss

This doesn't match what we have listed, and we do have at least two live recordings for the '89 Shoreline show.

Dream Attack, Ceremony, Mr. Disco, Touched By The Hand Of God, True Faith, 1963, Your Silent Face, Vanishing Point, Round And Round, Temptation, Bizarre Love Triangle, The Perfect Kiss, Blue Monday, Fine Time

However, this does exatly match the 1989-05-04 Queen Elizabeth Theatre - Vancouver show, which was the one immdiately prior to Shoreline's! Which suggests these were labelled after the fact, also plausible due to the different color of ink used.


NO: XX JUN 89 Unknown venue / date (perhaps 2nd Irvine or Utah)

As for the unknown setlist pictured here:

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=769&bid=693

Ceremony
Touched
Dream Attack
True Faith
As It Is When It Was
Every Second Counts
Vanishing Point
Mr Disco
Round & Round
Temptation
BLT
Perfect Kiss

It doesn't match any that are listed...AIIWIW was known to have been played only once on the '89 tour, which was 1989-06-29 Marcus Amphitheatre - Millwaukee. My best guess it's either the 1989-06-18 2nd Irvine show or 1989-06-21 Utah, with the latter being a better match considering how the group alternated setlists, even during the '89 tour, which had a narrower palate of songs than any of their previous tours.


NO: 14 JUN 89 Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA

Have a pair of sources, one on New Order Anthologies Vol 10, which for a while could be downloaded from neworderonline.com. site. A bad MP3 conversion, so it sounds more watery than it should, but otherwise it's pretty listenable. The other version is from depechemode1993, taped with Sony WM-GX40 + Sony External clip on Mic, and despite my earlier claims is not lossless.

Techno-sounding tune along the lines of Bronski Beat prefaces the set (on dm1993 version, not on NOA v10)

Dream_Attack

BS: "Hello, we're New Order."

At the end...

BS: "Oh, thank you."

Ceremony

Sombody "oooowws!" about 3:55 in.

BS: "Thank you."

Mr_Disco

Too bad this was only played during the Technique tour. There's some cool samples dropped in from 2:55 through 3:25...

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

BS: "Thank you very much indeed."

True_Faith

A couple of punters scream when they hear this one playing. Somebody tries to sing the first line, and does so...badly.

BS: "Thanks a lot."

PH: "Tonight [???] you're pissed...crowds is it really, hell of a favor." (as best as I can make this out)

_1963_

A long pause after this and the next song...Steve plays the hi-hat throughout (or else a drum machine is)

Includes bit of extra verse.

Your_Silent_Face

PH: "Any guesses?

BS: "This is, uh, Your Silent Face."

PH: "Ah, didn't even have to guess, did you?"

Very good opening melodica solo, too.

Both sources has cuts between Vanishing_Point and the next song, probably corresponding with A/B flip point.

Round_And_Round

BS: "Thank You".

Temptation

Has a skip 2:03 in. Probably introduced in the cassette->MP3 dubbing. Another one 3:37 in.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "'k you."

The_Perfect_Kiss

BS: "One more song...and then (that's it)...this is The Perfect Kiss."

Skip 2:55 in on NOAA version.

Encore...

The dm1993 version preserves the break between the main set and encore, where you can hear somebody (maybe the taper) say that the band did a good job. There's also some other chatter that I'll pay attention to some other time.

Blue_Monday

Has a very distinctive "house piano" intro, and a few of Barney's weird vocal utterances. This is BM haus stile.

Later on in the song the more orchestral-type strings sounds (that they started using during the '87 tour) makes an appearance.

They segue right into...

Fine_Time

Features a particularly bad Gillian howler with the intro keyboard riffs (at about 0:21 on the NOA v10 version)

Ear-shattering scream/whistle about 4:01 in.


NO: 16 JUN 89 Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre - Irvine, California

See http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=763&bid=693 for a copy of the setlist.

This is an ATR mixer, the sound is gorgeous, as good as I've ever heard from a New Order live gig. Moreover, there is no tracklist given on Waterrat.

Ceremony

PH: (affecting an Elvis accent!) How you all doin'?

Chiming guitar and bass.

BS: "I'd like to dedicate this set to Pete DeFrietas of Echo And The Bunnymen, who died yesterday."

BS: "Thank you....thanks a lot, thank you." (as he strums his guitar)

True_Faith

Somewhat interesting vocal delivery from Barney. Bass squiggle at the end

Age_Of_Consent

This is the LAST time this song is ever performed live (as of Jan 2004).

PH: "Ahhh...". Someone else cries "Okay, Ba..."

lyric: "I'm not the kind that needs to tell you just what the fuck you want me to."

BS: "Thank you!"

PH: (again, Elvis accent!) "How ya doin' kids? So good to see you all, you know. Makes my heart feel good, it truly does."

Bernard stums the gee-tar a bit, and than the Order start up Dream_Attack. The guitar solo that ends this one is so delicious!

BS: "'ack you."

All_The_Way

BS: "This is er, All The Way, off, eh, our last album, which is called..."

PH: "(laughs) Technique, Barn"

BS: "Technique, yeah, thank you."

PH: "See, what a fuckin' double act!"

Nice.

BS: "Thank you."

Mr_Disco

Synth sweep and a little feedback. Bernard whoops. Turns out to be a unique intro to Mr. Disco. The tinkling keyboards are really high in the mix.

More synth sweep and bass at the end.

BS: "Thank you."

Your_Silent_Face

BS: "Eh, I guess I should do what all the other bands do and say, 'Why don't you come down to the front and enjoy yourself?' Because the security staff will stop you, that's why!"

Lovely echoing whoop after the "piss off" line.

Vanishing_Point

BS: "Thank you. This is Vanishing Point. Drums up, Charlie...durms.

Round_And_Round

BS: "Hey, listen right. If you expect me to get into it, you've got to get into it, so... We need a lot of people in front dancing. I know it's a cliche, but it's true."

PH: (to a heckler) "I beg your pardon? You must be English with a turn of phrase like that? You ugly bastard, where's your banana?"

Need filter sweep effect like Everything's Gone Green can be heard in one point.

Audible edit between this and the next tracks, probably A/B change.

Temptation

Fairly aggressive version, with spanish count-up: "Uno, dos, tres, cuatro."

lyric: "No, I've never met anyone as nice as you before."

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Wooo....thank you."

The_Perfect_Kiss

PH: "Ah well, home time again."

BS: "Thank you, good night."

AllDay_Long

The last time New Order perform this one.

BS: "Eh, this is a song that we've not played live for a very long time, so, eh, bear with us.

PH: (who interjects at this point while Bernard is still speaking): "Yeah, we're very sor...

BS: "It's called All Day Long."

PH: (interrupting Bernard again) "We're very sorry we couldn't play for long but PiL played for so fucking long we've had to cut our set short, sorry about that."

Thanks go out to Drew Crumbaugh for figuring out Hooky was talking about Lydon's post-Pistol's group, who along with the Sugarcubes, toured with New Order on the second leg of the '89 tour. Also thanks to Shug of NOOL for some other corrections.

Bernard's vocals are flat, but that's ok. Fairly short version, less than four minutes long.

Some guitar jamming.

Fine_Time

My version has diginoise starting at 2:54, which has been cleaned up in such a way to resemble a new digital effect.


NO: 17 JUN 89 Aztec Bowl - San Diego, CA

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=768&bid=693 (Aztec Bowl) San Diego 1989-06-07

Ceremony
[Touched By The Hand Of God] (barely legible) Dream Attack
All The Way
Mr Disco
1963
Every Second Counts
Vanishing Point
Round & Round
Temptation
BLT
Perfect Kiss

Contrast this to the setlist given on new-order.net, lots of tracks swapped, though the setlists didn't typically include encore tracks. The site listing is tentative, as no known live tape of this show is in circulation.

Ceremony, Touched By The Hand Of God, All The Way, Dream Attack, True Faith, Mr. Disco, 1963, Vanishing Point, Round And Round, Bizarre Love Triangle, Temptation, The Perfect Kiss, Blue Monday, Fine Time

I can accept that the group may have diverged from the setlist here, or (more likely) the person who supplied the setlist didn't remember perfectly...


NO: 25 JUN 89 Sandstone Amphitheater - Bonner Springs, Kansas

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=765&bid=693 Kansas City

Ceremony
True Faith
Dream Attack
All The Way
Vanishing Point
Every Second Counts
1963
Mr Disco
Round & Round
Temptation
BLT
Perfect Kiss

However the soundboard tape doesn't have 'BLT', and it also records that the encore was BM and Fine Time.


NO: 27 JUN 89 St. Paul's Auditorium, Minnapolis/St. Paul

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=766&bid=693 Minneapolis/St. Paul 1989-06-27 MDMA lists:

All The Way
Dream Attack
Round & Round
Ceremony
KW1
Run
Mr Disco
Vanishing Point
True Faith
Temptation
Perfect Kiss
BLT(?)

This doesn't quite match up what was previously listed for the gigography:

All The Way, Dream Attack, The Perfect Kiss, Fine Time, Vanishing Point, Blue Monday

But I'm tending to want to favor the setlist, since the order above (1) wouldn't have been typical for an 1989 show, and (2) is fragmentary, suggesting that it was compiled from a concert-goer's recall.

Credit goes to David Molyneux for the venue name.


NO: 29 JUN 89 Marcus Amphitheater - Milwaukee, Wisconsin

In an interview on 16 JUN 89, Peter Hook reveals that they were headlining all of their tour except for this gig, where they were opening for the Violent Femmes.

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=764&bid=693 Marcus Amphitheatre - Milwaukee 1989-06-29:

Touched
Ceremony
Dream Attack
True Faith
Mr Disco
As It Is When It Was
1963
Vanishing Point
Round & Round
Temptation
BLT
Perfect Kiss

Looks like the gigography entry had left out the first two tracks!

And indeed, the audience recording I have is missing both Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God and Ceremony. However, a different source has since surfaced that is complete.

Dream_Attack

The start is cut on the audience recording.

BS: "Thanks a lot."

True_Faith follows.

Mr_Disco

lyric: "I think of you all night and day / I don't care what those CUNTS would say."

The band then performs As_It_Is_When_It_Was, _1963_, and Vanishing_Point.

Round_And_Round follows.

A bit of guitar tuning between this and Temptation.

(at end)

BS: "Thank you. Thanks a lot. "

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "This next song is Bizarre Love Triangle, when we eventually get started."

Brief cut between tracks at this point.

The_Perfect_Kiss ends the main set.

Blue_Monday is the encore.

This version features lots of piano.

lyric: "If it wasn't for your big penis, I'd be a heavenly person today."

Fine_Time closes out the proceedings.


NO: 30 JUN 89 Poplar Creek Music Theater - Hoffman Estates, Illinois (Chicago)

The Cuyahoga performance from six days later is often mistaken for this one.

Not the best notes since the between-song introductions were pretty hard to make out.

MDMArchve has a setlist for this show.

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=668&bid=693

Ceremony

BS: "Hello, this is Ceremony."

Taper or somebody by him says, "We can throw it on there." If this is reference to the recording, it could be that they were interested in taping either PiL or Sugarcubes and captured NO as a bonus.

BS: "The drums are very loud...or something."

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

lyric: "...because everything I own was lost by you..."

and

"...and I've never looked at you in a sexual way before, you whore."

Dream_Attack

(at end)

BS: "'ank you."

True_Faith follows.

lyric: "...I don't care cuz all I hear is this snare..."

Mr_Disco

After the vocodered voice starts saying locals, one of the punters near the taper says, "On a computer."

BS: "Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank God for playing this snare drum."

punter: "1963 maybe. Maybe 1963."

Your_Silent_Face

BS: "Anyway, only a joke. This is, er, Your Silent Face."

_1963_

BS: "Can't read."

(at end)

BS: "Hey crowd, it's disco nightmare from here on."

Vanishing_Point gets a very loud audience response. Deservedly so, it's a great song.

Round_And_Round follows.

Temptation

At about 3:05, BS yells, "TURN...THE...DRUMS...DOWN!"

The_Perfect_Kiss.

There's some chatter around the taper at the start of this song. Has a unique guitar-themed introduction.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle follows.

He throws in a "fuck off, little cunt..." in there.

Bernard's vocals get really strange and syncopated at the end.

BS: "Thank God for the snare at the end."

He clearly doesn't sound like a happy camper and was probably glad to get through it.

Fine_Time

BS: "Yo! This is...er, what's it called? This is a guitar. And the song I'm going to play on it is a...a little number called Fine Time."


NO: 05 JUL 89 Blossom Music Center - Cuyahoga Falls (Cleveland), Ohio

The original source for this is MP3s which I found on the 29anne site. They may still be there. This sounds like a DAT-sourced mix, the vocals are painfully forward, the sound is incredibly good, the performance... this was called "an average day at the E office for Barney".

In fact there are two sources, ultimately of the same origin but EQ'ed differently, one of which being completely digital but with some of the between-track fun edited out, the other (sourced in the same was as the other ATR/Stash tapes) having gone through at least one analog generation.

Round_And_Round

Starts off with a little bass before the sequencers.

BS: (at about 2:30) "Charlie, would you put me in the side fill(?)"

and

BS: (at about 3:27) "Synthesizers, Eddie."

At the end, Barney says "Thanks a lot."

DreamAttack

The guitar intro's a bit off.

Ceremony

Barney's mumbling his vocals on this one, and screws up the lyrics on the first verse, singing lines out of order.

lyric: "Forever...where did we go?" Barney adds, "Who gives a fuck?"

Run

BS: "All right, now for a lesson in amateur dramatics. Right Steve(?)" [this appears on the ATR version but not the DAT one]

At about 0:07 Barney says "Punk version".

BS: "Well, maybe not the punk version but at least the new wave one."

True_Faith

lyric: "That's the price we all pay/Everything we need today" (a variation I've not otherwise heard)

Mr_Disco

lyric: "Ibiza, Majorica, and Benidorm too. I searched all of those places, but never found...a stupid cunt like you."

BS: "Thank you very much indeed. Make the most of it."

Every_Little_Counts

Sumner must be really off his head, the beginning line is skipped.

lyric: "When I am with you, I think you is a pig, You is in a zoo."

_1963_

BS: "Thank you."

Vanishing_Point

lyrics: "Life is short, but this T-shirt's long." and at 2:52, "Rock and Roll" and 3:42, "Jesus loves you. Each and every one of you!" Hilarious.

To add to that, we have "I've seen what a man can do, i've seen what a kangaroo can do too. WOOOOO!" (courtesy of 'Hannett of the Apes', NOOL)

Hooky joins in on the last line, "he never gave in".

The_Perfect_Kiss

BS: "Thank you. This is Perfect Kiss."

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: (at start) "Thank you."

BS: "Thank you, good night."

Fine_Time

It's clear from this that the vocodered bit is indeed "Ecstasy", because you can hear Bernard whispering it before the vocoder distortion effects kick in. Ending part has Hooky riffing for thirty seconds. This is CUT from the Retro version, what a crime!


NO: 07 JUL 89 CNE Grandstand - Toronto, Ontario

Another very informative post in the Cermony Archives

http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/digests/_1990/v90.n001

Date: Tue Mar 20 06:24:09 1990
From: "Cameron Bales"

Here is a Playlist of The July 7,89 Concert At the Exhibition Stadium Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

  1. Touched By the Hand of God
  2. Ceremony
  3. All the Way
  4. Dream Attack
  5. True Faith
  6. Mr. Disco
  7. Your Silent Face (amazing)
  8. Vanishing Point
  9. Round&round
  10. Temptation <-- only song to be announced
  11. Confusion
  12. Perfect Kiss

Encore...
13) Blue Monday
14) Fine Time.

This was part of the tour where they were accompanied by The Sugarcubes, and Public Image Limited (PIL) The Sugarcubes were really lame, PIL was amazing- Johnny Lydon shows his Sex Pistol Heritage to make for an Amazing Stage Presence- Better even Than New Order. (yes I know Sacrelige (sp?)) The band was really good live too- memorable songs were- "This is not a Love Song"- Much Much better live than on the Single, "Rise", and "Seattle"

New Order stuff- At this point I owned only Substance (CD), Technique, Round&round, and Fine Time- I did not even know there names so my First impression of the Band (I hate there minimilistic liner notes- the fan who does not even know the names of the Band members) were like this Lead Singer, and Drummer- the proper aura for this type of band. Keyboardist- Gillian Gilbert(?) she did not move for the entire concertshe looked like she would be having a better time if she was home watching the Carpet Rot. Bass Player- Peter Hook(?) Strait out of a heavy metal band- Long Hair, and Bass swung WWAAAAYY down between his legs- not at all the image I was expecting. The Bass player can probably play the drums as fast as anyone I have ever seen. He had a 4 pad electronic Drum kit that he played periodically- I cannot recollect for what now.

The live singing was amazing (much better than Pink Floyd)- the Lights were good, not Great- there were two Big (30 foot) TV's normal fog, and stuff- the circles during Round&round were interesting. There was not much patter in between songs - hence the flag to show that Temptation was the only one announced. This is a band who goes- we are here to play, the guitar, Bass, and Drums- so what if the keyboard is Sequenced, and we are not here to talk- Overall I like that, and I definately would go again. That says a lot because my Vacation was a week, and about 3 days of it was spent driving past Montreal for the T.O. Concert. I was going to Montreal from here (the Marintimes) to check out McGill for a friend who wanted to know if he wanted to go there.

I am glad I did not plan on going to the Montreal one as it was cancelled.

Cameron .:.


NO: 10 JUL 89 Great Woods, Mansfield, MA

From http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/digests/_1989/v89.n001

Here's my review of the New Order portion of the show I saw at Great Woods, Mansfield, MA on 7/10/89.

New Order (9:40-11:00) 13 songs

Round and Round
Dream Attack
Ceremony
a new song from Technique, probably Mr Disco Every Little Counts
True Faith
1963
Vanishing Point
Temptation
The Perfect Kiss (long version)
Bizarre Love Triangle (LP version)

Blue Monday      -----|__ encore
Fine Time        -----|          

..

(skip favorable reviews of Cubes & PiL)

New Order: a bit of a letdown after the first two bands. I knew what to expect from them going in - very little stage presence - but they did not play particularly well either. I think a big problem was the mixing. The guitar was almost always too low in the mix, like in "Dream Attack". Often the important keyboard parts were also inaudible, like near the end of "Perfect Kiss". Peter Hook looked like he was the only one who was interested in the audience, but I don't think he was too happy about being tackled during "Blue Monday" by a fan. The better tracks, for the most part, were the older ones (pre-'Technique'). Songs off 'Technique' were poor and were shown to be of very little substance. Exceptions to this were "Fine Time" and "Vanishing Point", both of which I thought had a little more zip than the other new songs they played. "Ceremony" gave me a little hope that there might be some bright spots. (I think they were at their best when playing songs that had Gillian come out & play guitar - the straight rockers.) The best song of the night was undoubtedly "Temptation". In fact, it was one of the few songs in which Bernard showed some emotion, along with "Bizarre Love Triangle". I was pleasantly surprised that they played "Every Little Counts". So, rating - performance: C (zero stage presence, poor job on new songs but good job on old ones); sound: D+.

--mike

From Daniel.F.McKinnon.III/
Subject: NO Live

I saw the show at Great Woods (Mansfield, MA) as well. This was my first New Order concert, as I am a recent convert, but I had heard about their lack of stage presence. So, I wasn't disappointed that they were none-too-animated.

My thoughts on the show:

First of all, Great Woods is famous for having poor acoustics. They added those wooden panels to the ceiling to try to help, but it hasn't done much. Typically, reviews in the Boston Globe cite poor sound at the start of shows, which tend to improve as the sound dude improves the mix as the show progresses. I find that if you are on the lawn, as I was for NO, the amphitheater acts as a speaker horn, and the sound tends to be better. Just an opinion.

Considering what I had heard about their concerts, I was quite happy with the show. Although they don't move around much, they still seem to have a lot of emotion for such an electronic band. And, when they did my favorite, "Bizarre Love Triangle", they really seemed to be jamming.

I couldn't really see what happened when Peter apparently got tackled. A friend and I were joking that he got too animated for the rest of the band, and a roadie came out to restrain him. And when Bernard was showing emotion on "BLT", it looked like he might have been doubled over with a cramp.

I loved the show. (If you can't have a sense of humor about your favorite bands, who can you joke about?)


NO: 11 JUL 89 Lake Compounce Park - Bristol, Connecticut

Recording appeared on DIME in August 2009. Fairly uncommon, but known to have been in circulation. It's in stereo, and is actually fairly clear, but sounds like one of the upstream copies suffered from azimuth misalignment, it gets a bit better as it goes along, so it's pretty much all bass/midrange, though it has a dropout here and there which would be what you'd expect from 20 year old tapes.

Taped from an area that captures the appropriate audience participation, if you're into that sort of thing. Very representative set for its era.

Intro is about a minute of 'beat music', which I haven't ID'ed yet.

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

(At end)

BS: "'Q. Harold, can you turn it up a bit, please?"

Ceremony follows.

All_The_Way is a bit of a mess guitar-wise, but Dream_Attack sounds fine.

BS: "'Q" (after ATW).

True_Faith has bit of a dropout between 0:55-1:10.

Hooky's backing vox are pretty up in the mix.

Mr_Disco follows.

_1963_ gets a bit of a singalong here, quite a popular one with the Yanks. A couple of small dropouts at the 3:00 mark.

Tape break at this point, at the A/B flip presumably. Side two has much less azimuth issues.

Vanishing_Point

Starts with the intro beats.

BS: "Thanks a lot. He's winning this, anyway."

Round_And_Round

Small dropouts at the 2:00 point.

BS: "Thank you."

Some guitar in between songs before Temptation.

The_Perfect_Kiss

BS: (at end) "Good night!"

Tape break before a version of Blue_Monday with the orchestral 1989 arrangement, and the final Fine_Time.

Recording preserves some of the outro music.


NO: 12 JUL 89 Jones Beach - Wantagh, New York

I have a 128k MP3 of 'All The Way' from this performance, but since have the full gig as seeded by Ryan on STG. Don't know if both are taken from the same source or not, the copy I have sounds like a fairly good condenser mic recording, but with some (actually, lots) audience chatter and singalongs, and, alas, some stutters, which have been noted.

Not the most loquacious we find Bernard here.

Round_And_Round

At the end, Hooky makes a mewing sound with his bass.

Dream_Attack

Digital stutter on 'cut' at 1:23 (making it sound like "Cu-cut my heartbeat like a knife")...

A bit of soundchecking before the start of Ceremony.

Digital skip at about 3:03.

BS: "Thank you."

All_The_Way

BS: "'k you."

Guitar note...

True_Faith

Digital stutter at 2:56.

Somebody uh-oh's to the start of Mr_Disco. Some pretty bad singing-along here.

BS: "Thank you."

Your_Silent_Face

God-awful cawing trying to mimic Bernard's melodica. Has to be heard to be believed. Even worse is somebody who took it upon themselves to sing.

Punter says, "That's all folks!"

BS: "Thank you."

_1963_

lyric: "For everything you do, I will always feel for you."

BS: "Thanks a lot....one!"

Vanishing_Point

Another digital stutter at 1:42, right before the "Listen, can you hear him weeping?" line.

A few seconds of tuning before the start of Temptation.

Cut at 4:01, a bit of the "I never met anyone..." lyrics lost.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

Bernard sings "Every time I look at you" instead of "Every time I think of you."

BS: "Thank you." Hooky ends it with some bass. It turns out the really annoying singing is from some French (or Quebecois) individual.

The_Perfect_Kiss

Digital stutter at 0:56.

BS: "Thank you good night."

The French/Quebecois guy comments they might come back for another two songs. You think?

Tape edit.

Blue_Monday

Orchestral version. With house piano.

The French guy obligingly inserts the "Oh, this is too much!" bit from BM '88.

Fine_Time

Interesting ending solo by Hooky.

Outro music I can't identify, female urban voice saying "Werk it!" before it cuts out.


NO: 14 JUL 89 Mann Music Center - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

As described by fki:

"Not a good sound quality (noisy, distant, slightly distorted here and there), but not a common recording. Now it seems that this was the last time they played Every Little Counts."

A few minutes of pre-gig music and then enough cheering to drown out the tape.

Including a radio ad from a Philadelphia-area station.

Not much in the way of band interaction with the audience. You have been warned.

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of__God opens the set.

BS: "Thank you very much."

Dream_Attack follows, as does Ceremony.

All_The_Way

BS: "Thank you, this is All The Way."

(at end)

BS: "Thank you."

Lots of cheering.

Round_And_Round

BS: "'k you."

Mr_Disco

BS: "'k you."

What's believed to be the final performance of Every_Little_Counts follows.

True_Faith follows.

There's a cut (A/B) point afterwards.

Vanishing_Point and Temptation follow.

BS: "Thank you very much."

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Thank you."

The_Perfect_Kiss wraps up the main set.

Brief break in tape afterwards, followed by about four minutes of crowd cheering, interspersed with edits, so the true break may have been somewhat longer.

Fine_Time

BS: "Thanks a lot. We'd like to finish this set with Fine Time."

Which they do.


NO: 15 JUL 89 Merriweather Post Pavilion - Columbia, Maryland

WBL found a reference to an article indicating that New Order played at the Merriweather on 7/15/89. This gig isn't listed in the gigography. Here's the abstract from the article.

NEW ORDER, PUBLIC IMAGE LIMITED AND THE SUGARCUBES

Mark Jenkins
July 17, 1989; Page b12
Section: STYLE
Word Count: 272

Despite the suburban site and the pep-rally ambience, Saturday's event at Merriweather Post Pavilion was a punk show. You could tell because the opening act was the best. The headliner was New Order, and it is difficult to wring any spontaneity from the mostly pre-programmed doom-punk/Eurodisco synthesis of the British quartet. The group didn't seem as playful as last year, either. The surprising muddiness of its sound (except for the aorta-rattling bass) emphasized the sameness...

[review excerpt ends here]

In any event, a first generation tape has surfaced, and with it, the full setlist. According to GaoBest, this was taped by someone who wasn't a fan of the group, done with a Sony WM-D3 and built-in mics.

Round_And_Round

BS: "Hello"

(at end)

BS: "Thank you."

Dream_Attack

PH: "You know there's one in every crowd, isn't there?"

BS: "Thank you."

Ceremony and All_The_Way follow.

True_Faith

BS: "Thank you very much indeed, this is True Faith."

Mr_Disco

Tape garbles about 2:00 into the song.

BS: "Thank you."

Your_Silent_Face

BS: "Thank you."

_1963_

BS: "This is 1963."

(at end)

BS: "Thank you."

Vanishing_Point

A/B split after this song.

Temptation

BS: "Thank you. Gotta come four or five Jason please." (no idea what he's referring to here)

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Thank you" (with loads of echo)

Little guitar riff.

The_Perfect_Kiss closes out the main set.

Blue_Monday here has the orchestral-type samples at the start common to that time.

Fine_Time of course ends with a Hooky bass vamp.



NO: 17 JUL 89 Pine Knob Music Theatre - Detroit, Michigan

Source appears to be from the mixing desk. 192kbps MP3.

This is the gig that was originally scheduled for 01 JUL 89 but had to be postponed due to Bernard developing a throat infection (or so it is claimed).

Here's a picture of the ticket stub from the original (cancelled) show: http://stublove.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-order-pil-sugarcubes-july-1-1989.html

Announcer: "...paid to win, for the Detroit Music Institute. And now, New Order!" (recording starts in mid-sentence)

Intro music is a mix of Laid Back's White Horse...

Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God

BS: "Thanks for coming back!"

Bernard's vocals sound flat here.

BS: "Thank you."

Dream_Attack

PH: "It's nice to be back, anyway. Mayday, eh?"

Hooky yells out "Oi!" about 1:58 in.

BS: "Thank You."

Ceremony

Both Barney and Hooky sing the chorus. Pronounced echo on the "Watching..." line.

BS: "Thank you very much."

True_Faith

Pleasant guitar intro. Vocal for "of the things that cost you too much" during second verse cuts out.

Mr_Disco

Bernard's vocals being panned to the right is especially pronounced here. Yells "night and day" line. This version has the "Barcelona", etc. samples in it, as well as a bit of balaeric beats.

Your_Silent_Face

Barney swaps the last line of the first and last verse, meaning that the "why don't you piss off" bit is heard earlier in the song than normal.

BS: "Thank you very much, indeed."

_1963_

BS: "Thank you."

Vanishing_Point

Barney says "Tears of sor...tears of sorrow" instead of the correct "Tears of joy".

BS: "Thank you."

Round_And_Round

Barney can be heard singing to a prerecorded vocal of himself during the last part of the song.

Temptation

PH: (presumably in reference to Barney's mangled intro solo): "Holy heck(?), that is bad.

The vocals, which are pretty bad thoughout this performance (performance-wise, not sound-wise), suddenly get better. This could entirely be due to the way this was recorded, with no treatment of the vocals.

The song ends with a bass solo, and feedback.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

BS: "Thank you."

Perfect_Kiss

Some tentative guitar noodling during the intro. Guitar riffs different than other live performances.

Blue_Monday

Has the orchestral sounds typical for 1989 performances of this song.

There's a pretty crummy keyboard solo (wonder if this being played by Bernard) that starts in at 5:25 of this track.


NO: 25 AUG 89 Reading Festival

Have parts of a soundcheck from the UKBT source.

The first several minutes consists of drumming plus occasional effects, like breaking glass, as well as the Temptation guitar riff after a couple of minutes. At some point there after, the sequencer pattern can be heard.

Shortly before the 6:00 mark, somebody can be heard to say "Turn the foldback up through the sides", a familiar refrain from the early days of ew Order's live performances, but not heard for years.

Source for the following writeup is ukkevinl's EZT (now DIME) seed, Which is mono. I have since obtained a master clone of this version, which is stereo.

Some house music for about 12 seconds.

Alan Wise, legendary promoter, manager, and compere takes the stage, and issues one of his all-time best remembered introductions.

AW: "Listen, listen." There's a cut at this point.

AW: "Very important to the group. For New Order, for Bernard Sumner in particular, this show tonight is dedicated to one man (punter: "Me!") The money is all for a campaign then. I'm not talking about an ordinary man. I'm not talking about a person like you or me. (punter: "Shaun Ryder") I'm talking about a special man. I'm talking about a man who lives for others. (punter: "Me!") A man whose actions were only ever to improve the lot of his brothers and sisters. [folks start to chant for the band at this point] A sweet man. A generous man. His name...Jeff The Chef. His whereabouts are now at Strangeways Prison in Manchester. His crime his only crime. Bringing a little sunshine in the world. Think of Jeff The Chef, lonely in his cell, as you are free to applaud his friends, their music, New Order!"

Round_And_Round

BS: "Hello, we're New Order. And we're not breaking up."

Hooky starts talking excitedly right when the track starts.

PH: "Hey, hey, hey...I want to congratulate my brother tonight on the birth of his daughter, so let's go!"

Some stereo field shifts during the first part, including the levels going up at the 3:00 point. (first source)

Beautiful bass riff at the end of this.

Dream_Attack

PH: "Anyway...with saying...I want to congratulate my brother on the birth of his daughter today. Thank you. I'm sure you'll all join in with me with wishing him every happiness."

The source I have gets much louder at the 3:23 point.

BS: "'k you!". Guitar and bass strumming.

All_The_Way

PH: "How is it out there...eh? Kinda fucking rough day. Anyone stuck on the M1? (cheers) M25? (cheers) M4? (cheers) Fuck the lot of 'em, that's what I say...[last part dissolves into echo]

ukkevinl version exhibits a bit of chewed-up-ness at the 2:15 point, the master doesn't have this defect.

BS: "Thank you very much."

Punter calls out for 'Ceremony' and 'Transmission'.

Ceremony

BS: "Now we're gonna play an old song now. This is, erm, Ceremony."

The source I have has bleed-through of the reverse side at this point, which is also on the master.

Source gets louder at 3:50 point.

BS: "Thank you."

True_Faith

Bernard sings, "They're all doing drugs with me." (not taking drugs)

A couple of girls talk at the end of this, and you can hear more bleedthrough.

Mr_Disco

BS: "Muchas gracias."

(at end)

BS: "Thank you. Thank you very much indeed."

PH: "We'll sing you a lullaby now. Rock a bye... [or something like that]

Every_Little_Counts

(at end)

BS: "Thank you." Bit of a guitar flourish at the end.

Your_Silent_Face

BS: "Thank you."

Hooky goes on a bit with the bass. Gillian p

Vanishing_Point

An all-time classic intro.

BS: "Right...I'm gonna wind all you Mission fans up now. I've seen you all, dressed in black, picking yer fucking noses. What we want is New Order fans!"

PH: (screechingly) "I can't 'ear you!"

(end of song)

BS: "Yo!"

Hooky eeps.

Temptation

Bit of a cold start. Probably A/B flip is at this point.

Glitch at 6:20 or so.

Bizarre_Love_Triangle

Hooky mutters something after the first verse.

BS: "Thank you."

punter: "C'mon Chris, button your wife up."

The_Perfect_Kiss

Hooky mutters something hard to make out.

Another classic.

BS: "This is the first festival I've ever played where the band's been more out of their head than the audience."

PH: (hard to make out" "Be quiet...It's not doing us...when you feel good.'

End of main set. Start of encore. Tape edit at this point.

Blue_Monday

Excellent '89 era "house piano" version (listen at about 5:45 or so).

Fine_Time

You can clearly hear Barney's voice before it hits the vocoder.

BS: "Thanks a lot, good night!"

Ends in a sound loop...I think this is the point where Hooky is trying to set his bass alight.