A list of the whereabouts of every known copy of Sordide Sentimental SS33002, featuring Joy Division's Atmosphere/Dead Souls and a colour booklet with an essay.

There were 1,578 of these issued, with all genuine entries numbered. See http://www.joydiv.org/S5.htm for more information, including how to spot fakes. There's also a JD Central thread with lots of discussion about additional ones that pop up which I use to populate this listing, here: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/1578-sordide-sentimental-2640372

As you can see, I have quite a long way to go! But with about 230 copies trainspotted, I'm getting there. Please email updates AT new-order DOT net if you have some you want to add or alert me to.

[TEST] - There are apparently three test pressing copies (no numbering) in existence. JPT has one for sale here (the link is defunct now): http://sordide-sentimental.com/shop/index.php?productID=144 All yours for the princely sum of 5000 Euro (well, not any more!)
[0002] - In a Q interview in the 2000-1 timeframe, Hooky claims that Ian Curtis received #0002, while he only got #0011. (Thanks to 'Brett' for this spot).
[0005] - 'andyj' (JDC). "New member here, hopefully I can fill in another gap !! I have copy #0005, it was actually given to me by Debbie, I was 14/15 years old at the time. The record has never been played and the whole package is in mint condition, I also own an original Ideal for Living ep, this was given to me by Ian." and "No huge story, Debbie is my cousin so that's how I got these recordings. Btw copy no.5 of Sordide Sentimentale contains a print by Jean Pierre Turmel entitled "Internal Hate of War", there are apparently only 10 of these and I have #002. Often wondered from time to time on the value of this and Ideal for Living Ep , wouldn't probably sell though. Big Joy Division fan of course, saw Peter Hook down here in Auckland few weeks ago, enjoyed it to be fair."
[0006] - In a 1994 interview with Jon Savage, Hooky claims that Ian Curtis received #0006. (http://www.jonsavage.com/film/peter-hook/).

If this is true, somehow it ended up on eBay 2012-03-25 'suenal2004' GBP 490: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-7VINYL-/251022528966?clk_rvr_id=407038890973&nma=true&si=ytRvozXBda57mjC4X8CEOhafv1I%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (note: no pic with number)

[0007] - Peter Hook collection, Omega Auctions. Start price GBP 600: https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48397170_2219854578046002_6155884128941113344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=7e5208b1bec4d238f9f8cc17b4912293&oe=5CA2EAC3 Sold for £2400 via Omega auction back in 2019.
[0011] - Hooky claims in a Q interview that he has this one. 'Brett' comments that we know that Hooky's recollection may not be completely accurate, and based on the above, I agree.
[0016] - eBay 2013-11-07. GBP 275 ('toys_and_collectables_2005'). See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-Number-16-Signed-by-Hooky-/190952156541?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120&clk_rvr_id=541944541055

"Joy Division Atmosphere/Dead Souls 7" Original Pressing 1578 Copies Pressed, all the Inserts Signed Twice by Peter Hook. The Lowest Number I believe has ever been listed on Ebay...No 16, even Hooky asked me where I got it from. Signed by Hooky at the Urbis in Manchester during Hacienda Display and again at the Arches in Glasgow during his Hacienda Book Tour."

[0018] - Apparently in the possession of toys_and_collectables_2005, according to 'slumpy' on JDC.
[0021] - eBay 2012-04-02. USD 705. See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISIONAtmosphere-409Dead-Souls-453France-7-Limited-Edition-PCV-GF/380427699707.html
[0024] - 'Zigzagshild251'. "Hi There.. Just wondered if you wish to know the whereabouts of another 'treasured' copy of "Licht Und Blindheit" and let me know how to add my copy to your list? It has never been listed for sale previously and is No.#24/#1578 and in Pristine Condition thruout.. (except for the inevitable browning of the glue on the inside wallet and slight wrinkling of back card.), I am more than happy to send Photos if you wish?

NB. I had always thought that possibly the first 20 or so numbered copies would have been sent to the Band and Manager (etc) so it was nice to read about some other early numbered copies.."

[0027] - 2021-01-20 - 'DAYOFPIGS'. (JDC)


Good evening every body here and sorry for my english language, i m french[

I have a copy of the 7" Licht und blindheit, number 000027. complete and like new (no plastic bag)

For his history, i bought it in 1991 i think. It was in a little records shop in Paris.

A this time i gone to all the new records shops, hoping to find collectors and good records for good prices.

In this shop the guy said to me "you look for JD records", Oh Yess! Ok i 've a rare record here and he shown to me a virgin copy of L U B.

He said that he obtain it directly by JP Turmel, there is all the Sordide sentimental records in this shop, all news and perhaps not only one copy of each???

I return at home and i phone to him the evening "please keep the Licht und blindheit for me, i come tomorrow morning and i buy it"...

Before to go to my work, i go to buy it, a fantastic day, i was 23 years old and it was one of my first collector item.

I paid it 450 FF ( 90 euros).

Now i go to PH live shows with my daughters, one of her is 23 years old.

Life is strange sometimes

[0038] - 'interzone79' (JDC). "I am the owner of the number 38. My copy is like new, in an immaculate condition...never played, stored with passion!..." Pictures here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/26494411%40N02/sets/72157645791239795/

[0039] - eBay 2005-11-20 GBP 260 ('tipetoebang', winner: 'sonicfuzz') See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Atmosphere-No39/4792403637.html

"I am the first and only owner of this item. I bought it from France by mail when it was released, in 1979 and it has basically been laying on the shelf since then.

This single plays at 33 rpm, not 45 rpm. It's basically in the same condition as it was when I received it. Singles pressing quality is never brilliant but this one is clearly better than most. As far as I can remember the few times it was played it was played on my Linn Axis with a Linn K9 cartridge. I very much doubt there is another copy in such good condition. If you're really serious about this, I can digitalize it and send a very compressed mp3 by e-mail, so that you can check the condition of the record - you'll be amazed."

Owner is in Portugal.

Was reauctioned in early August 2009, went for GBP 686.00, and bought by slumpy [JDC]. See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sordide-Sentimental-39-Joy-Division-Rare-7_W0QQitemZ290336313542QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item43996490c6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 [URL invalid]

[0048] - Jonathan Howard (JDC). "Greetings, new to the forum. I have #48 in the orig bag. Back in the late 1980s a family came into my store with the collection of a passed brother. Deep Factory collector. Also got a very nice Medusa copy. It was a heart attack moment." http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1310716641&postcount=435&forum=21830
[0054] - eBay 2011-05-24 USD 1300 ('roksyd', winner: 5---4). See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260782107312&clk_rvr_id=234760305843 See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-54-1578-A-CONDITION/260782107312.html
[0057] - eBay 2017-10-20 USD 1171 ('darthtread'): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-LP-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIGINAL-RARE-/152711323310?hash=item238e4ddeae:g:hPUAAOSwBxZZb9yG

Unsold, so relisted on eBay (same price, CND 1500) 2017-11-01.

[0059] - eBay 2021-06-10 USD $1999 ('wright1957'). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265188758881?hash=item3dbe7b5561:g:B7AAAOSwwg1gvpy2

Noted by "RiotNrrrd":

"... also comes with the rare Sordide Sentimental bag for the cover that came with the first 100 copies or so"

Am I the only one that smells a rat? I've never heard of any originals coming with that bag, much less "the first 100 copies or so".

"Cover: Excellent Plus (EX+). Nice except for usual bends on left and right in the middle portion of the back of the triptych cover from two sides of the 45rpm, which happened to almost every copy because of the original packaging. See photos."

Given the photos, no way is that "EX+".

There is some discussion starting here about bags: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1326682935&postcount=481&forum=21830 I concur with 'streptile' that while some early 80s copies could have shipped with SS bags, these were likely not with the records originally and were only added after-the-fact once collectors believed these were enhance the value of their offering.

[0066] - Email from Festa Allesandro (2014-06-12). "I've purchased no 000066 in the 90's via a record collector (magazine) seller for abt 150 / 200 uk pounds. hope could be interest at yours enclosing two pictures made today ( i received also as gift a factory shareholders 3 page issue ) thanks / vb regards

Pictures are here: http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix

[0067] - Discogs https://www.discogs.com/sell/history/193190 #67 of 1578. Very good+ condition record, no scratches, fingerprints or scuffs, has some age spots/misting/glossing, plays very good++ with sporadic light surface surface noise. Near mint condition cover has very minor edge wear at the bottom on the back panel. Near mint condition inserts, like new. The price includes registered priority mail worldwide.
[0071] - This one makes an appearance in Grant Gee's documentary. I suspect this may have been John Peel's copy, given they had access to his private archives, but haven't confirmed whether it was taken from his collection or not.
[0076] - Revealed by Hooky during the Cornerhouse chat with Matt Greenhalgh and John Robb to have been one of the copies with Ian Curtis left after his death.
[0077] - 'beswick_man' (eBay) GBP 375.00 (bought by syllaur).

"Comes with the letter from the dealer in Rouen, France dated 7/12/84 that he wrote to me when I bought the item."

[0083] - eBay 2019-09-19. The eBay link that was posted is no longer working. Noticed again on 2020-05-29. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Joy-Division-Atmosphere-Orig-En-Sordide-Sentimental-Fr-1979/264746979130?hash=item3da4264f3a:g:~ewAAOSwn7Jc4lg0 (link no longer works again)
[0087] - eBay 2020 Feb 'rottensite' GBP 1800. (eBay) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-MEGA-RARE-100-GENUINE-7-LICHT-UND-BLINDHELT-FULLY-COMPLETE-PUNK/372995565391?hash=item56d844a74f:g:-SYAAOSw1AledTin. Was listed before by 'kb9oo' (eBay) GBP 915.80. See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-und-Blindheit-ORG-7-Vinyl-1st-Press-No-087-SIGNED-PUNK/311996697801?hash=item48a473ccc9:g:Qg8AAOSwjyhZ~0rr
[0106] - Terry Mason. "Terry was also offered some of Ian's records, including his copy of the Sordide Sentimentale single 'Atmosphere'/ 'Dead Souls', which had the serial number 106." (from TFAD)
[0108] - eBay 2008-10-21 GBP 579 ('convoy records', bought by neil9158). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-1979-MEGA-RARE-NM/110299705537.html Tt was relisted, as the final price was GBP1470, withe auction ending in 2009-10-26, see: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Mega-Rare-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-SS33002/170395385160.html

Relisted, ending in 2013-10-13, GBP 575 (seller: 'thebishopstable'): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-ORIGINAL-/161120292356?clk_rvr_id=541941667021

[0122] - eBay 2021-01-18. EUR 1050 ('eternal1963'). See: https://www.ebay.de/itm/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ULTRA-RARE-ORIGINAL-COMPLETE/363251430198?hash=item549378f336:g:hN4AAOSwHsxf-K4c
[0123] - Phill (JDC). Per http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1325768710&postcount=479&forum=21830

He had previously thought his copy was 0129, but in fact it's 0123 (this).

[0126] - eBay 2007-02-09. GBP 385 ('kaisersozi', bought by 'toys_and_collectables_2005'). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-Near-Mint/130074837608.html
        "Relecutant sale.  Totally authentic. More pictures available as required.  Please note that a key sign of its authenticty is the fact that the glue used on the inner plastic sleeve has turned brown due to age."
        Sold again by toys_and_collectables_2005 in September 2007, and after that at the end of April 2001:  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-1980-France/114659785570

[0127] - eBay 2011-09-26 USD 456 See: http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit/96963611?ev=bp_titl
[0129] - eBay 2021-03-01 GBP 795 ('sohomusic'): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-1980-France/114659785570?hash=item1ab2417b62:g:x4UAAOSwU41gFsOH

Also, this: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/lwtua/vpost?id=261287&trail=60 (see entry for 0123)

[0134] - Discogs ('trevorbarre'). Claims to own it. See: http://www.discogs.com/user/trevorbarre

The comment from https://www.discogs.com/master/view/54032 "I was given this in 1980 (number 134) by a friend who was going off to Poona to pray with Bhagwan. All the inserts are present and correct and it's 'near mint', I would say. Any advice as to where to sell it?" (2019-12-08)

[0151] - eBay 2014-02-02 GBP 1200 ('mtkhshepherd') See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251432924794&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:3160. Relisted ending 2014-02-12 for GBP 995 several times, and then GBP 900, not sold for that extortionate amount.
[0155] - eBay 2007-04-04 -> 2007-07-17 'pharaohchromium93' (eBay) USD 670 -> $1528 See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ORIGINAL-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-1979-MINT/160100940342.html and http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Licht-Und-Blindheit/110146801365.html

"The individual whom I bought this from in France knows J.P. Turmel and it was hand delivered to his shop by him back in the day." Auctioned twice.

[0159] - eBay 2020-11-14. Spotted by 'AndyC'. Was at GBP 667. No link for this currently.
[0184] - JDC ('beckrd') See: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2640372&trail=188

"I still have 184 of 1578, bought on or close to release at Rough Trade. Also got a handful of floppy 7" Incubation/Konokino from the counter at Rough Trade, though only 3 left as I gave the rest away to friends. Also have Ideal for Living EP. Good days..."

[0190] - 'toys_and_collectables_2005' (eBay) GBP 510+ See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190170234246&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009 [URL invalid]

"Sordide Sentimental 7" Number 000190 with Translation Advertisement Fold Out Booklet and the Rare Packaging that came with the record (most bags have been lost, this is the Complete Sordide Package, very,very RARE)

Signed by Peter Hook at the Urbis night with Paul Morley 06/09/07 "

[0199] - JDC ('TheRealJon') See: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/sir-john-peel-gave-this-to-my-friends-dad-7093706
[0206] - eBay 2019-04-28 'beyondthedownload' GBP 670. See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit-7-Vinyl-Single-Limited-Edition-VERY-RA/254207269284?hash=item3b2fef19a4:g
[0207] - JDC ('HumanFly') "I have No. 207. It was purchased in 1980 off the NME or Sounds Classifieds for £25."
[0211] - eBay via JDC, as spotted by dmxi, on 2017-09-27. Starting bid of 500 GBP. Now resides in Frankfurt, Germany, according to AL__tered66 (JDC).
[0218] - TJ's copy. Photos: http://www.new-order.net/jd/pix/ss33002_tj/
[0226] - 'neus077' (eBay) GBP 510.01 (bought by neus077). See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270136912716 [URL invalid]
[0230] - eBay 2016-05-08 EUR 1299 ('guy.hlre2x'). See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIG-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-FR-1979-/262427041395?hash=item3d19dede73:g:FKwAAOSwShJXLz9s
[0232] - eBay 2015-09-01 GBP 850 US 1289.96 ('livingmylife23'). See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-FACTORY-RECORDS-NEW-ORDER-Original-7-Sordide-Sentimental-letter-/121741518170?&rmvSB=true

"Original first pressing vinyl with all inserts in tact. Plus a unique original hand written letter from founder member Yves Von Bontee on letter headed paper written in German...ending @Time is short....Your Friend Yves Von Bontee!!"

[0263] - This copy is being sold in the sordide-sentimental.com shop for EUR 1,000. Confirmed by Jean-Pierre TURMEL to be an original copy. Thanks to m_peterman for the spot. (2008-04-18)
[0275] - JDC ('PatTeasdale'). "#275 is owned by a guy called Tony Raven, who has just put up pics of it on a Facebook page called 'Punk Memorabilia For Sale Or Trade'". http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1284663282&postcount=292
[0276] - eBay 2005-05-02 USD 406 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Atmosphere-7-orig-Sordide-Sentimental/4723092958.html
[0291] - JDC ('Musars'). http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240 (without bag)
[0297] - eBay 2019-08.24. The eBay link that was posted is no longer working.
[0300] - JDC ('tcole65'). eBay 2013-02-13 See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130847013518?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649&clk_rvr_id=480705432111

"Hi all. I have number 300 - bought from Reckless records on 11th May 1994 for £73.00 (i still have the receipt)!"

Was subsequently relisted, eBay 2013-03-6 See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-100-ORIGINAL-AND-RARE-NO-RESERVE-/130857117466?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123&clk_rvr_id=480702454991

[0304] - eBay 2009-03-20 GBP 600 (Great Britain). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-Sordide-Sentimental/280322446650.html

Put for sale again on 2010-1130 for GBP 675 See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180594730552&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 update: bought by fbz (JDC).

[0305] - JDC ('Paolo_61'). "I subscribed to let you know I have a copy. it's number 305 I bought it in mid 80s from a friend. I'm Italian. Can you pls. Add me to the list?". Done!
[0306] - Discogs ('evidentlychickentown'). GBP 700. https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1152616917?ev=bp_det

This now spotted as part of an Omega Audition GBP 550. https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-79---joy-division---sordide-sentimental-atmosphere-licht-und-blindheit-original-copy-ss-33-002/?lot=7002&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=30&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=48&pn=2&g=1

[0309] - Dec Hickey in his book "From Heaven To Heaven" [p.17] mentions that he has this in his possession. 'That guy' nods in appreciation for it.
[0320] - eBay 2013-12-01 'atar2369' GBP 310. See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-FRENCH-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-/251385090172?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:3160&clk_rvr_id=551097702551
[0323] - eBay 2006-10-03 GBP 310 ('sw6blues', bought by imh721). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ATMOSPHEREDEAD-SOULS/130031518923.html


[0329] - eBay 2014-01-06 EUR 135(!!) See: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Joy-Division-Raritaet-/131087058015?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gEcEsDqVYdbfqCTIUfhenJlnTio%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
[0332] - eBay 2004-07-18 USD 410 (Germany). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-7inch-ORIGINAL/4024427760.html
[0334] - JDC ('TMW') GBP 855 "I have number 334, bought directly using a postal order." See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-Und-Blindheit-7-French-Sordide-Sentimental-1979-EX-/121013062343?clk_rvr_id=407042778896
[0335] - 'thepinkfairy97' (eBay) GBP 1443.02 (along with AIFL 7" and 12") (bought by man1010_1) See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190134725790 [URL invalid]

"atmosphere / dead souls sordide sentimentale ss33002 fold out pack is ex, translation sheet is vg, advertissment is ex disc is mint. copie no. 335 of 1578". Owned by Musars (http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240) (without bag)

[0336] - 'singingandrew' (JDC). "New member here.

Thought I would own up to owning 336. Given to me as a present in 1981 - it was bought in, I think, in PlasticFactory in Oasis Birmingham for £20. It is missing the translation and has a small tear on the cover.

It's claim to fame is that it was borrowed by my English teacher who was going out with a member of ACR at the time and they had never seen one! My reward was a copy of their first single, plus Flight 12" :-)"

[0342] - 'Ruinedinaday' (JDC). His account:

"I own #342. Bought it back around 1986/7 from a german record dealer for 430 Deutschmarks. Pretty much in those times, 40 hours of work or so... Played it once to see if there are any scratches. There aren't. Copy is in near mint condition, complete with all inserts, but came without plastic bag. Later I bought another copy for a friend of mine in Plastic Passion on Portobello Road. for 100 GBP. That copy came WITH a plastic bag. Guess what I did..."

[0344] - eBay 2007-11-18 GBP 411 (Great Britain) See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentemental-rare-7-limited-edtn/130173102449.html Owned by Musars (http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240) (without bag)
[0349] - email 2020-10-31 from Gerard McKillen

"Came across your page...I have copy number 349, bought it on e-bay many years ago, but never kept any details unfortunately. Came with a hand written note from JP Turmel on a Sordide Sentimental order form that had a list of pressings at the time. Note says 'Sorry for the delay, JP Turmel'."

[0370] - JDC ('doddsie'). "I Have No 370. Mint. Bought it in Small Wonder Records from the owner Pete Stennett, who said "just give me your £3.50 - you will thank me in years to come" The shop was in Walthamstow E17 and was a mecca for us young punks at the time."
[0379] - Marko from JDC revealed that a Ruth from Brighton emailed him to say she has this one.
[0381] - eBay ('karina6111') 2013-04-29 GBP 950 See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-RARE-ORIGINAL-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-SORDIDE-7-WITH-INSERTS-/130892580964?pt=UK_Records&hash=item1e79ce4864&clk_rvr_id=480699778591

'Dillettante' had this to say (JDC): "I see 381 was unsold on fleabuy earlier this year with a very high start price. Seller in Waltham Cross which is only a few miles from Walthamstow, so another assumedly bought from Small Wonder's batch."

[0386] - JDC ('Dilettante'). "Hello All. I'm new to the forum and have joined to add my copy of 'Licht Und Blindheit' to your list. It will be new to you, it's [0386] and along with a couple of previous posters to this thread, I bought it on its release from Pete Stennett at Small Wonder Records in Walthamstow, London. I see the last poster who purchased from there has [0370] which is close enough to indicate Pete's batch of copies."

Resold on Discogs by 'MostlyVinyl' for GBP 950. See: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/234884988

"Slight wear to cover edges & corners. Entirely commensurate with age."

[0389] - JDC ('bvmm'). In conversation with a friend, he learned that another copy (not #389) had been destroyed in a flood!
[0391] - 991.com listing: http://991.com/buy/productinformation.aspx?StockNumber=325881

eil.com listing: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=325881

[0403] - Trevor H. via email:

Hello !
Finally getting around to adding my two pence worth. I have Joy Division number #403
Bought at small wonder records, Pete Stennet, Walthamstow E17 Roughly 7 GGP I think

[0418] - eBay 2006-07-13 USD 510 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=190005439106 Owned by Musars: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240 (with bag)
[0456] - JDC ('kered5'). Acquired from a friend who was given a chance by Hooky to see the gig free if he sold his copy to kered5.

"My mate and I made the short trip to from his house in Rochdale to Bury in his beaten up Volkswagen Scirocco. We didn't have tickets for the Derby Hall gig but made the trip anyway in the hope that we could find someone with spare ones outside the venue.

Once we got there, we asked around for tickets...but there were none forthcoming. After a couple of pints in the pub around the corner, undeterred, we decided to hang around on the off chance that some tickets would turn up. After about half an hour, the side door of the Derby Hall opened and one Mr Peter Hook came out...ostensibly for a bit of fresh air. Obviously, when me and my mate saw him, we approached our hero and starting talking to him!!!! We told him our predicament and he seemed sympathetic. We then got on to the subject of records and we asked him about the new album etc etc. We also discussed the Sordide Sentimental release which was a sore subject for me...My mate had two copies which one of his relatives had bought for him whilst on holiday in France and he absolutely refused to sell me one despite my frequent pleas. I told Hooky this and he came up with a proposal!!! He told my mate that if he agreed to sell me one of the Sordide Sentimentals then he would get us both in free to the gig!!! Reluctantly...my mate agreed and Hooky got us in!!! (I still have the copy today!!!)."

Perhaps "had", as it seems to have been listed on 991.com/eil.com: http://991.com/buy/productinformation.aspx?StockNumber=98529 http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=98529

[0467] - eBay 2005-05-01 USD 373 (France). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ORIGINAL-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-MINT/4722769709.html
[0487] - eBay 2005-03-23 USD 743 (France). See: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4710891338
[0501] - eBay 2014-05-21 GBP 1100 (UK, 'ratracords'). See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-original-French-7-501-/301161088927?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120 Relisted for 950 GPB on 2014-06-03: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-original-French-7-501-/301202310308?clk_rvr_id=649459756776&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120
[0510] - JDC ('andrewdawson'). "I have number 510 which I have owned since new. Bought by mail order from Small Wonder in Walthamstow when I was 16 and living in King's Lynn in Norfolk. I remember reading in NME about it's release and then ringing up the shop one Saturday morning. I then sent them a postal order for £3.49 which included P and P. Played it to death (as any real fan would) and it remains a favourite to this day."
[0512] - via Email (Geoff C.). "Just to let you know, I have 000512.

Got it off eBay from lovely bloke who was off to Australia. He had bought it at rough trade when it first came out. He was told to buy two but only could afford one.....he regretted that decision!

I will never sell my copy. May even try to get another.

My daughter's will inherit! And they will probably sell it then."

Pictures of his copy are here:
http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/ss33002_512_1.jpg http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/ss33002_512_2.jpg

[0524] - eBay 2015-10-05 GBP 720.01 USD 1092.69. ('banderis'). See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Rare-Original-Joy-Division-7-Sordide-Sentimental-in-original-sleeve-bag-/221898808258?hash=item33aa331bc2&rmvSB=true

Was re-auctioned on eBay, ending 2017-10-16 for GBP 510. ('3403davidd'). See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-7-Vinyl-single-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-/282688027157?hash=item41d184fa15:g:LjgAAOSwQiBZ28VY

[0527] - eBay 2005-11-21 GBP 169 ('4513steve', bought by plastik23, aka Pat Teasdale). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTALLICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT/4792619589.html

Seller's mention of "0532" in the description is in error, according to him.

[0528] - JDC, 'CandySays': "Thanks to Dilettante for the post on this, because I also bought my copy at Small Wonder Records in Walthamstow. I was brought up in Stratford E15, so Walthamstow was a short bus ride away, and Small Wonder was somewhere I spent hours on a Saturday getting an education.......

I remember buying my copy around March 1980 and bunking off school to do so with my mate Jodi who also bought one (no idea what number he had unfortunately). I knew Pete was getting this in so I'm pretty certain I got in there sharpish.

Thanks for the link to the interview with Pete as well; brought back so many memories of Pete and the shop; Colin Faver who worked in the shop - shit hot DJ (who I met on the rave scene years later and couldnt believe he was the 'old' hippy from SW!!). cadging badges off Pete (if he was in a good mood)....probabbly need to post these memories on another site....

If i can ever work out how to upload photos on this site i'll post photos of my copy of Sordide Sentimental and my JD gig tickets if anyones interested."

[0534] - Discogs '1chordwonders' GBP 1995. See here: http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit/96963611?ev=bp_titl
[0541] - eBay 2009-09-06 GBP 950 See here: http://www.popsike.com/FRENCH-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-7-JOY-DIVISIONATMOSPHERE/280390149951.html
[0548] - Discogs. 'chrisartgoes' GBP 1578. Images uploded by chrisartgoes in October 2019, but disabled in favor of listing reference #1090, note the URL parser has issues with parenthesis so you'll need to select-copy and not click-through: https://img.discogs.com/PLuHFo57iwzin30n8kY_Z8zhVwc=/fit-in/600x814/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-193190-1570094884-3412.jpeg.jpg and https://img.discogs.com/8tHmLXzC2zUb0HZMgnp08vPvfUY=/fit-in/600x439/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-193190-1570094885-5606.jpeg.jpg
[0551] - Twitter 2020-02-10 '@MarxandSparx': https://twitter.com/MarxandSparx/status/1226797509638443008 "I have copy No 551. I bought it at this store in March 1980. It is now in British Columbia, Canada"
[0560] - SAS. ME090915. GBP 600-800. See: http://www.specialauctionservices.com/large/me090915/lot0512.html
[0562] - JDC, 'gunnersmate': "Just to update you with my copy, I purchased within a few days of release from 'Small Wonder Records' London E17, England, paid around GBP 2.99 for it. All complete near mint, played a couple of times when purchased... my copy is 562... I cannot remember me getting a bag with it, I'm sure I did not.
[0571] eBay 2014-04-27 GBP 1000 (UK, 'garypulse'). See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-7-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-RARE-NO-000571-/360914522728?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1120 Relisted fifty pounds cheaper on 2014-04-30: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-7-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-RARE-NO-000571-/360920606424?pt=UK_Records&hash=item54088b66d8 adn again on 2014-05-21 (GBP 900): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-7-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-RARE-NO-000571-/360939751707?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:3160&clk_rvr_id=649464117489 Looks like there was a bid for that amount.
[0577] - JDC, 'twenty4hours ': "From Italy very good". eBay 2017-11-12, US 700. 'darthtread'. See here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/152828693766
[0578] - Daniel McGhee's copy. "It came with the printed Sordide Sentimental bag and three inserts. The glue that has held the rice paper has come loose over time."
[0579] - one of Duncan's copies: "The number are 579 & 582 So these must have been the ones my brother got from Rough Trade (as lease I think that's where he got them) as the numbers are so close."
[0580] - eBay via JDC, as spotted by dmxi, on 2017-09-12, "a bit tatty without paper inserts", starting price $799. Didn't sell, so this is still owned by "psycherelics".
[0582] - JDC, one of Duncan's copies, see http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/lwtua/vpost?id=2074089&trail=100
[0584] - Philip Dawson (JDC) - Just joined the group I have Sordide Sentinal[sic] No 584 bought in a Huddersfield record shop in the late 1980's.... played only 2-3 times since in a blue folder in VGC. For who keeps record"
[0585] - eBay BuyItNow GBP 640. 'e-cellaronline'. See here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160483860450 This has a damaged cover, and thus is considered overpriced at what the seller is asking for.
[0586] - FB, Steve Clarke, via Dec Hickey. Purchased from Revolver Records in Leicester, for no more than a tenner, according to Steve. He sent a link to the card with the copy number: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158401895697180&set=p.10158401895697180&type=3&theater
[0590] - Owned by Stephen Hopkins. "Stephen Hopkins is a former musician who worked with different Manchester punk and new wave artists including John Cooper Clarke, Pauline Murray, Morrissey and Ed Garrity amongst others. After retiring as a musician, he pursued a career in experimental cold atom physics." Starting GBP 800. See here: https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/m/lot-details/index/catalog/12/lot/3940 Also see here: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1306212476&postcount=394&forum=21830
[0599] - Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/sell/history/193190 Sold for $2,175 on 2012-05-15.
[0633] - Ted_Green (PM). "Had to write back (although I see the site hasn't been updated since 2001...) - my copy of the single is numbered 633. I bought it at some point in the early 80's, I assume either at Rene's Records or at Aron's Records in Hollywood, possibly at Vinyl Fetish. I may have played the record 2-3 times over the years, there's a tiny bit of white on the corners of the sleeve and the transparent paper that holds the record in place inside has come loose, otherwise it's basically new. And no it's not for sale ;0)"
[0639] - John W (JDC), via Marko.

"In 1980, with much regret, still, I sold all of my extensive record collection. The only thing I held on to were my copies of Joy Division.

I have an original copy of the Sordide Sentimental Fractured Music number 639 ss 33002, if you are still keeping your list going.

[0640] - 'headphoneezrider' (eBay) 2008-09-04, see http://cgi.ebay.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-Edition_W0QQitemZ160277433318QQihZ006QQcategoryZ30. [URL invalid]

"This auction features an original edition pressing of Joy Division Licht Und Blindheit on Sordide Sentimental. This is an original edition pressing with the outer sleeve and inner booklet in good condition. Both have some creasing. The vinyl is damaged/broken from having been stepped on. Yes, it's true. It's a very sad story." photo of damaged record: https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/105579647_3408790762472439_1469013812566594798_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=PZswJOM6HSEAX_i6u8b&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=bb55d08c5eb491254c5afc5ffc6d58d7&oe=5F19920E

[0642] - Marko revealed that John C contacted him saying he has a copy of this.

"This message concerns the whereabouts of Sordide singles you have catalogued at this site. I have #642 given to me by my friend Scott Piering at the Rough Trade shop at Portobello Rd. London where he held the position of promoter(?). It's in the labeled plastic bag and has all of the paraphernalia included (none of which has faded, colored or come loose) it also came with the Sordide fold up advertising b/w poster (pic of Genesis kissing Cosi, pic of Ian at mic, pic of nudie in tub!) One more fer yer list..... yep, johnC". This copy is now on sale at Discogs for USD 2500: http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit/123763912?ev=bp_rel_det Sold on 2015-05-22 for $2000, which is what it sold for back in 2015.

[0675] - Discogs, 'devondiscs'. GBP 900. See: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/286241692

"Probably never been played. Looks perfect. Ltd 675/1578.Very slight wear to foldout record sleeve corners. Free P/P with insurance." Sold on 2016-02-03 for $1,110.62.

[0678] - Rob Berends, correspondence.

Saw the list online with whereabouts of 'Licht und Blindheit' copies. My copy has the number 678.

I saw Joy Division play when I was in London on holiday in the summer of '79 (Prince Of Wales Conference Centre).

I bought the ticket at Small Wonder Records (Walthamstow). According to the guy delivering the tickets there (while I was there too) the batch he delivered was the first batch of all tickets for this show. I bought the first one.

In January '80, Joy Division played at the Doornroosje venue in my home-town Nijmegen, The Netherlands. I was one of the volunteers working at this venue (400 capacity youth centre / concert hall) and the one on the phone the most with booking agents and bands, so I probably negotiated the deal (on behalf of the team of volunteers I was member of). The band's manager Rob Gretton was also there and we met. In March '80, Licht und Blindheit was released, and one of my colleagues in the volunteers-group at Doornroosje bought a copy at record shop Bullit in Eindhoven. I was unable to find a copy for sale. Then I called Rob Gretton, also for a chat, and when I asked him about L&B, he said he still had two copies. He double-checked my (PO Box) address with me, but did not promise or announce anything. About a week later I saw an LP-cardboard-envelope in my PO Box, and got really nervous. Is it maybe ... ??

It was one of those old-fashioned U.K.-style LP-cardboard-envelopes: one layer, no corrugated layer, open on one side only when ready for use. And it looked scary: it was bent, and fitted into the not-very-wide PO Box. 'Hope nothing is broken', I thought.

The sender was indeed Rob Gretton!

I opened the envelope rather impatiently tearing it open top-to-bottom, the part that was folded over. After that I realised this might have been very stupid! But... no worries, L&B was in perfect condition!

'Dead Souls' to this day is my favourite Joy Division song.

[0681] - eBay 2019-06-23 GBP 1100 ('north734'). https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Orig-1980-7-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-00849-MINT/264367505910?hash=item3d8d8801f6:g:B-YAAOSwEMddCSYX

Comment is from https://www.discogs.com/master/view/54032 "Mine is number 681. I know it's legit because Rob Gretton gave it to me in 1980 at a gig we were doing. I played in a band called Tora Tora. We got Martin Hannet to produce our first single at Cargo Studio in Rochdale." (DerekDomino01 2019-06-16)

"Very rare Joy Division single given to me by Rob Gretton himself so it's the real thing. It's been in a cupboard for 39 years. The vinyl has never been played. The number is 000681 of 1578 pressed. Glue has detached slightly from where the vinyl is stored, & very slight wear on the bottom of the sleeve. Apart from that it is in excellent condition."

[0682] - eBay 2020-12-11 EUR 1400, BIN EUR 2000 ('torjaeger1998'). https://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-000682-Original-complete/303826563406?hash=item46bd79714e:g:5wQAAOSwFE5f1bSY

Also on Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1228955580?ev=bp_det

[0685] - Anderz W., in email

Stumbled upon your list and thought that I could share the one I have with you, hoping it is a "real" one. It is currently living in Sundbyberg, Stockholm, Sweden since 201606.

It has the serration around the label on the vinyl, it has the inserts and matrix numbers are hand written and the glue is brown. However mine has a plastic bag with the Sordide Sentimental logo... The number is 000685.

I bought it back in 2001606 from Giovanni Corbari from Ravenna who I also bought the 12" An Ideal for Living from before this one. I found him on Discogs, https://www.discogs.com/user/giomusics, where he at least advertised the 12". I don't remember if the hat the Sordide Sentimental on there as well. I paid 1200 EUR for the 7". I asked him how he had obtained these records and he told me the following story:


story of this bunch of this lps, Joy Division included happened in march, a man call me by phone and told me that he has 100 lp old. i went to his house and i saw all records original, from 1977 to 1982, all UK pressing of course i was really interest to buy, but this man told me another story, he works for the original owner, this man is italian but in '80 years worked in England and love post punk, industrial and experiment music. so, the man that i met worked as bricklayer, and repair years ago the roof of the original owner lp. but at end works don't have money to pay, and give the records to him.

so it ask me 8000 euro (cost of roof repair), but i told him it was too much for 100 lps. after that he sold me the records for a acceptable price.

when i've checked carefully the lp i saw it was all original pressing, and some are rare like this lp and and another one, a 7" of Joy division original first press on sordide sentimental label, a numbered edition with all insert included, i've also another Joy 2 lp, still in different hard cover, plus many other of small but interest british group.

it was really a nice and rare lps, but unfortunately for the original owner that like this music but exchanged for a work in his house.


Hoping that this might be useful for your list.

Photos - https://photos.app.goo.gl/zT2rJJBXqdkuFZj16

[0702] - Two copies in the Gretton Archive, one is confirmed to be #702, the other hasn't bee identified. See: http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1167
[0728] - eBay 2008-12-23 USD 1000 (ciamatta; buyer unknown). http://www.popsike.com/Joy-DivisionLicht-Und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental/130276340088.html
[0736] - eBay 2009-04-13 EUR 707. Spotted by dmxi, no listing for this.
[0750] - eBay 2004-07-20 USD 540 (France). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ORIG-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-MINT/4024718752.html


[0751] - eBay 2014-11-24 USD 1500 (lizardsound; buyer unknown). http://www.ebay.com/itm/Punk-Industrial-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-Joy-Division/151480497181?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27538%26meid%3D31dba1172a99422787fdebeb45e3d98e%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D11353%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D321581256047&rmvSB=true
[0756] - JDC, 'xyling': "I always keep tabs on the Sordide Sentimental single. I bought mine in probably 1994 or so in Los Angeles in the days before eBay from a small collectors record shop. I saw it advertised for sale along with the original Ideal For Living 7" and made the trip up to the north side of the city to check it out. I really wanted Ideal For Living since the sleeve was probably folded by one of the band members, but I inspected it and checked it out. It really is not such a pretty item! The owner played it for me to check the condition and I thought it sounded awful. Now that I've read more about it, I think they originally sounded terrible! In any case, I passed on it and got SS (number 756) instead. It is in pretty good shape- has the inserts and the vinyl looks and sounds perfect. The trifold is somewhat wrikled because the vellum glued in pocket seemed to have shrunken at a faster rate than the cover. Minor bend mark as well. I keep it at work in a locked cabinet because the temperature control is better there! I think I'm at the point where prices have driven me to consider selling- I bought it for $125 which I thought was a grand price at the time; now, the prices are unbelievable. I think Joy Division has a much greater following with the documentaries and compilations that have been coming out over the last 20 years, so I guess this is logical."
[0776] - eBay 2007-04-27. USD 660 ('jazzrecordrevival'). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISIONSORDIDE-SENTIMENTALE-MINT-ORIG-7inch/250106713674.html
[0777] - eBay 2007-09-21. USD 499.99 ('jazzrecordrevival'). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISIONSORDIDE-SENTIMENTALE-MINT-ORIG-7inch/250165389279.html
[0784] - eBay 2007-08-28. USD 962 ('pharaohchromium93'). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Licht-Und-Blindheit/110161015956.html
[0803] - WIM, David Sultan's copy. See: http://www.worldinmotion.net/joydivision/miscellaneous/1980/SordideSentimentalInnerMiddle.jpg
[0816] - eBay 2015-04-12. GBP 400 ('rtnofthespacecowboy'). See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ORIGINAL-RARE-FRENCH-7-COMPLETE-816-MINT-/281650616128?&clk_rvr_id=810442177262&rmvSB=true
[0834] - Facebook 2020-12-20. GBP 1500. Spotted here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/642104562499234
[0835] - Sent into me by DAWS: "Not sure if this qualifies to be added to the list [ed. note: it does!] but I have the cover to no. 835, no record unfortunately, but feel free to summarise the story below and add it if it's appropriate. I was at a car boot sale in Cambridge, UK, in the summer of 2013. Lurking in a box of records was unmistakably SS in a protective sleeve. Knowing it's significance I almost passed out on the spot. I then noticed a Post-It note stuck to the plastic sleeve saying "Cover only, no record". This took a few seconds to compute, and sure enough, when I was able to examine it, it was the cover only, no record, no inserts, but obviously an original with the brown glue, which I was already familiar with. "Where's the record for this, mate", I said. "Dunno, he said, if you can get one, it's worth a lot by all accounts. "Is it? I replied, trying to sound half-interested. The seller went on "Yeah. I bought a job lot of records a while back, and inside the sleeve to Closer, there was that. Make me an offer if you want. You could always track down the record itself and put them together." Well, I was way ahead of him there. I left the car boot after giving him a tenner and have since spent far too much time than is healthy searching for its long lost 7" brother. The record only does sometimes come up on ebay but I've only got to hear about them afterwards. Let me know if you ever come across a current listing. --DAWS


Thought would like an update on post #298 from 3 Jan 2015 (see page 12). You'll see my story about getting hold of the cover only (aaargh!) for no. 835.

Well, since buying this from a car boot (aka flea market / yard sale) in the summer of 2013 I have spent the last 5 years looking for the 7" to go with it.

I can now happily report that a single only listing came up on ebay at the end of March and I was successful in my bid. What about the inserts I hear you cry, well my brother (see post #348) very kindly let me make copies of his.

Aah, my life is complete.

[0838] - 'gnidrolog' (eBay) USD 800 (bought by jvschoch). See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320064347853 [URL invalid]
[0849] - 'rollinred251' (eBay) GBP 1850. See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Orig-1980-7-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-00849-MINT/163647197900?hash=item261a2212cc:g:m9YAAOSweTlcscpo Noted that the listing seems to swap references for no. 849 and 857, seller explains it has having two copies and recyling the description template between the one he claims was sold on Discogs (no. 857) and this one. Update, he comments in JDC, here: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1308838660&postcount=410&forum=21830
[0851] - eBay 2010-08-10 USD 1025. See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-7-wcover-pristine/160463816863.html
[0857] - See entry for [0849]. Seller says he had two copies, and that in the past he had sold the Discogs one (this). Commented on here: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1308838660&postcount=410&forum=21830
[0859] - eBay 2007-09-02 USD 706 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-7/330159857999.html. Owned by Musars (JDC), see http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1282449518&postcount=259 (no bag)
[0864] - eBay 2013-08-08 USD 1350 (USA). See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-7-w-Atmosphere-Dead-Souls-/300941413835?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item4611818dcb. Resold for USD 2227, See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Orig-1980-7-Sordide-00849-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-M-M-IN-SHRINK/163647197900
[0875] - Gilles L. (in email)


I discover your site and the list you maintain of all the Sordide Sentimental Joy Division single copies.

Mine is number 875. I don't see it our your list.

I bought it, on ebay I think, in september 2013 (I have kept the stamped cardboard envelope). I don't remember how much exactly I paid it, something around $700.

For the anecdote, it took about four months to travel from California to France. Some kind of a stress. The 1979/1980 actual price was 24 french francs, which was around 4 EUR at the birth of euros. Someting like $5.

No. 875 is now in Brittany, not so far from its original birth place in Normandy (Rouen).

[0886] - 'TJ' Once had this, "sold many years ago to finance a guitar."
[0891] - eBay 2006-10-30 USD 1000 ('electricblue', bought by carlosdelpra). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Atmosphere-Sordide-Sentimental-7-vinyl/300041842213.html

"This hghly collectible item is in VG+ condition, and was probably only played 3 or 4 times." carlota posted to JDC on 2010-06-14 confirming it.

[0903] - 'pharoahchromium93' (eBay) USD 1050 (not sold, then relisted by 'lazygrae') See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-Und-Blindheit-NM-orig-903-Sordide_W0QQitemZ270549718403QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMu. update: beng resold by the same original seller with 'limited edition OOP poster 40/50' for USD 10000. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Licht-Blindheit-/350352573493?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5192a40435
[0912] - eBay 2007-12-22. USD 890 ('ricaddy', bought by rohhor). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-SentimentalWith-All-Inserts/310007431515.html

"Beware of bootlegs....this is the original! This was purchased by Punk DJ Mike R. in 1980 at Chicago's Wax Trax records. The owner of Wax Trax, Mr.Jim Nash, told Mike to buy this 45...he said it would be worth a lot some day.... Indeed!"

[0923] - 'kered5' According to him, bought on eBay around 2000.
[0930] - eBay 2003-08-04 USD 199 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Very-Rare/2548764532.html
[0935] - eBay 2014-07-10 EUR 655. See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111400585086?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sop%3D10%26_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D111400585086%26_rdc%3D1#ht_59wt_1171&clk_rvr_id=668612343342 (Description says No.38 but pic clearly shows No.935). Also: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-Light-und-Blindheit/110423343657.html
[0938] - 'pharaohchromium93' (eBay) USD 1500 (bought by sainthuck, who may never have paid, as it was relisted for USD 2000) See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Licht-Und-Blindheit/110150763153.html. Owned by Musars (JDC), see http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1282449518&postcount=259
[0942] - eBay 2009-04-24 GBP 875 ('mangue666', bought by 0188patrick60). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-Und-Blindheit-942-ORIGINALMINT/160329072981.html
[0950] - eBay 2009-11-27 EUR 416.55 ('mayacca2010'). Information from JDC, 'dmxi'.
[0956] - Discogs 'owenscarlet'. EUR 1489. See: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/349128851
[0968] - eBay 2007-10-28 USD 623->GBP 509 (first bought by 'toys_and_collectables_2005', bought by undisclosed bidder) (eBay) See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-Package-RARE/120174699159.html Owned by Musars: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240 (with bag)
[0982] - eBay 2016-03-28 GBP 750, seller 'toys_and_collectables_2005', bought by undisclosed bidder. See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191832364562?ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&rmvSB=true
[0990] - Discogs 'marcdrijver' EUR 1480. https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/454714712
[1016] - eBay 2017-12-11 US 1202. seller 'atemzeit'. See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Light-Und-Blindheit-Sordid-Sentimental-Rare-Original-1301/192379295136?hash=item2ccab315a0:g
[1033] - Fernando's copy.
[1006] - eBay 'mein-freund-der-ast' 2008-08-24 USD 700 (bought by rolftoring).
[1021] - Discogs 'Prithee' USD 1550. https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/328854058
[1022] - 'marko' This is the maintainer of JD Central (Mark Price).
[1048] - Mark B. owns this copy.
[1055] - eBay 2008-09-28 USD 1215 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-7-original-complete-/120308467813.html
[1057] - 'recordmecca' (eBay) USD 999. See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-ORIGINAL-INSERTS-Mint_W0QQitemZ320259304750QQihZ011QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122 [URL invalid]
[1068] - eBay 2009-06-17 USD 1025 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-licht-und-blindheit-Super-RARE/190313857357.html

"I never thought I'd sell this, but economic times are bad and I need to get some much needed music gear for some upcoming traveling gigs."

[1074] - eBay 2019-12-01 EUR 625. Sold by jeanloutyuio. See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/45t-JOY-DIVISION-licht-und-blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-ss33002-1979/143451531031?hash=item216660a717:g:EikAAOSw6S5d2uH2
[1080] - eBay 2006-03-02 EUR 417 (France). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-N-1080-1578/4837814925.html

"I bought it in 1979 in a record dealer underground "open market" with bets close to the odéon in Paris.

[1090] - Discogs. This is the current reference copy that Discogs listings use, it does not mean any sellers listing this hhave this particular copy. Posted by FromLondon, note the URL parser has issues with parenthesis so you'll need to select-copy and not click-through: https://img.discogs.com/c-JOdbZxtkvR6tM5izRxUYBESxU=/fit-in/600x394/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-193190-1501778548-4854.jpeg.jpg
[1096] - 'pitmen2007' (Tim Youens) GBP 451.77 (bought by undisclosed bidder) (eBay) See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260188074001 Owned by Musars: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1280978317&postcount=240 (with bag)
[1099] - Discogs 2020-02-06 'AndraLangRecords' GBP 1600. See: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/930162709
[1105] - This is the number of Jon Wozencroft's copy.
[1106] - Deborah Curtis mentions that Ian owned the copy numbered thusly in her book, which he had given to Terry Mason shortly before his death. Unless Ian had multiple copies, this conflicts with what Hooky says in a Q interview done in the 2000-1 timeframe.
[1114] - JDC: 'dmxi' reports that #1114 sold on german eBay for EUR 429. Discogs image uploaded by elereew in 2018:https://img.discogs.com/5lW4CSkeXJcLky62QnE7W75xS3g=/fit-in/600x337/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-193190-1518154821-1679.jpeg.jpg
[1117] - Discogs 'speedlex' EUR 1650. http://www.discogs.com/buy/Vinyl/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit/123763912?ev=bp_rel_det. Relisted 2015-04-06 for EUR 2501.50 (wow!) http://www.ebay.de/itm/111610333816?clk_rvr_id=810452750773&rmvSB=true Was being sold for EUR 2000, here: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/123763912 but no longer available (sold?)
[1121] - eBay 2012-07-18 GBP 585 ('mr_mole_2010'). See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180926377414?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1182&clk_rvr_id=407043664665
[1123] - hotstuff.se 2020-07-07. https://hotstuff.se/butik/7-joy-division-licht-und-blindheit-original-genuine-first-press-signed-by-anton-corbijn/76619 (link no longer works)
[1136] - eBay 2020-05-29. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Joy-Division-Atmosphere-Orig-En-Sordide-Sentimental-Fr-1979-M-M/264746979038?hash=item3da4264ede:g:0pAAAOSwu~ldjKtT (link no longer works)
[1147] - eBay 2008-06-04 GBP 571 ('dubme1', purchaser unknown). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Atmosphere-Sordid-Sentimental-orig-Nod/100501768493.html
[1148] - 'mustangguitarsonline' (eBay) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160200257915 [URL invalid]
[1155] - Discogs 2019-10-08 GBP 2495 ('record_cellar') https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/977803915 Sold for that in Nov 2020.
[1156] - eBay 2005-11-12 GBP 400->450 ('joandemma', bought by tltwatw). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ORIGINAL-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-1979-MINT/160100940342.html

"I have owned this since purchased on its release, from mail order company." Owner is in Newton Aycliffe.

[1160] - onsale here: http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/atmosphere-dead-souls (2014-03-16). Relisted for GBP 850 by vinyltap1: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-licht-und-blindheit-7-2-track-original-with-both-inserts-in-folder-/360880264570?pt=UK_Records&hash=item540623d57a Relisted again on 2014-02-06: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-Numbered-7-Dead-Souls-Atmosphere-/371002478369?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:3160 by tcbsales, winning bid GBP 602. Sell must have fell through, as it's now being sold for GBP 807.49, see here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-licht-und-blindheit-7-2-track-original-with-both-inserts-in-folder-/360880264570?pt=UK_Records&hash=item540623d57a And now it's listed on Amazon.co.uk (or was): http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00ITU0Q8E/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
[1164] - eBay 2011-10-06, USD 1405.32 (seller: 'darthtread'): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-LP-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIGINAL-RARE/15271620 0746

eBay 2013-04-02 USD 810 See: http://www.popsike.com/Sordide-Sentimental-45-Book-JOY-DIVISION-Atmosphere-OG-Import-Ltd-Ed-001164/171011998418.html

Unsold, so relisted for USD 780.73 (CND 1000): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-LP-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIGINAL-RARE/152759070618?hash=item2391266f9a:g:RxkAAOSwn~ZZb9pf

And listed again: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-LP-Sordide-Sentimental-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT-ORIGINAL-RARE-/152741196561?nma=true&si=4URRpruc%252F32ruBEkaF1IvqIHe7k%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[1166] - eBay 2008-03-23 GBP 460 (Great Britain). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ISSUE-1979-ORIGINAL/200208157599.html


[1169] - eBay 2015-07-30 GBP 650 (US 986.44) ('gibso.alast'). See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/252035062502?rmvSB=true
[1170] - Omega auctions 2020-02-06 GBP 800-1000, starting bid GBP 750. Sold for GBP 1200, plus 20% comission. See https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/m/lot-details/index/catalog/72/lot/16406?url=%2Fm%2Fview-auctions%2Fcatalog%2Fid%2F72%2F%3Fpage%3D2%26items%3D1000 This image has also been used on Discogs, but was disabled for the listing (uploaded by nuderecords1), note the URL parser has issues with parenthesis so you'll need to select-copy and not click-through: https://img.discogs.com/bk3ZmJWSdyqKrCmS_qe7h8rQ0V4=/fit-in/600x450/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-193190-1577518583-4305.jpeg.jpg
[1177] - eBay 2008-07-17 GBP 531 ('garyfrancis100'). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ultra-rare-7-single/180263868698.html. Resold dating 2010-05-02 by 'dandysrecords', see: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Joy-Division-Licht-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-/170476520164
[1199] - JDC, 'Rumpeller'. "I have number 1199 and it's happily living with me in Poole, UK.

I've had this since the mid to late 1980's and I think I paid about £75 for it back in the day. The same price I paid for my An Ideal For Living 7".

It was one of the first things I saved up for when I left school and started my first job. It's got the inserts and is in the plastic sleeve. The strange thing is that the plastic sleeve has the Sordide Sentimental logo printed on it. I read that it shouldn't have the logo on it ... but it does ... and it's definitely genuine. It's all proved to be correct by the usual stuff, including the aged glue, etc.

I love it as much as a piece of artwork as I do for it's music, although I only played the disc a couple of times, as it was (and still is) so beautiful."

[1203] - (benno, via email). "I have just discovered your list of the known whereabouts of Joy Division's "Licht und Blindheit" records. I have no. 001203. I have owned it since 1980, having purchased it just after Ian Curtis died. I also have copies of every officially-released JD vinyl disc. I presently reside in Cumbria. I hope this helps to make your list a little bit more complete." His copy was sold early in 2020 to 'Copeau', who has put together this video about SS 33002, which is in French: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T6nv5WdZnk
[1204] - (Martin Woolley, via Twitter). "Talking about the @peterhook gig last night, I ended up digging this out. Copy #1204 of 1578 of Joy Division's rare Licht under Blindheit which I bought mail order I think from Rough Trade on release. Not very Christmassy, I know!." See: https://twitter.com/bluetooth_mdw/status/945238138187808768
[1205] - 991.com listing: http://991.com/buy/productinformation.aspx?StockNumber=228404

eil.com listing: http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=228404

'Recoil19' claims to have purchased this, and presumably will provide proof if contacted.

[1208] - eBay 2007-02-04 GBP 368 ('sr71smith', bought by toys_and_collectables_2005). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTALORIGINAL/260080177920.html



[1210] - eBay 2003-08-03 GBP 220 (Great Britain). See: http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=2548096903

"I have owned this record from new, purchased in 1980 (I think!)."

[1211] - JDC, 'EyeQ'.

"Mine was 1211. I sold it years ago for £25 to pay a bill of my ex. The bitch!"

[1216] - K Manton. "The copy that I have is number 1216. It is in mint condition, not a blemish on the vinyl and the folder is in my opinion perfect. the clear plastic folder it comes in has some slight fading to the sordid sentimentale logo but no tears. slight creases to the clear folder are visible. I bought my copy from a record shop on Oldham Street, Manchester 20-25 years ago. It has been in my possesion since (still in Manchester) and I have never played it! I probably never will play it.....i am scared to!"
[1220] - JDC, 'venus44'. "I bought my copy from selectadisc in Nottinghams market street for the princely sum of £5.Its Edition number is 1220. I also have Ians autograph from when they played Derby Ajanta theater also all the New Music Express,s from that period, also in my collection I have the original Le Terme bootleg and a few other bits and bobs."
[1226] - eBay 2012-03-20. GBP 561 Relisted twice. JDC, 'joehosken'. See http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/Sordide-Sentimental-Original-5750769
[1238] - eBay 2007-06-25. BuyItNow for USD 1100->GBP 432. ('dhawesuk' and '123mayal') See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-12381578/180130921333.html

"This has been in my possession since the early 1980s."

Looks like it's doing the rounds again (as of 2007-06-25), being sold by a '123mayal' now. Went for 432 GBP.

[1239] - eBay 2009-11-02 GBP 620 ('magpie129'). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ORIGINAL-EX-COND/130341603621.html Bought by 'interzone79' (JDC)
[1242] - JDC, 'oyvind' (Oyvind Franck).
[1244] - JDC, 'Erik' (Jan Erik Justansen).
[1257] - Steve McNamee. "I see you've set yourself the herculean task of trying to track down every copy of the SS Atmosphere, so thought you'd like to know about mine.

This one is number 1257. It's all in reasonable nick, just a bit of wear around the edges and the usual browning where the glue went. It's also sadly missing the inserts, but the vinyl is in really nice condition. I've attached a pic of the numbered page, and let me know if you want to see any more.

Good luck in your hunt!"

A picture of his copy is here: http://www.new-order.net/jd/facs/ss33002pix/ss33002_1257.jpg

[1265] - JDC, 'twenty4hours': "From France very good".
[1270] - Discogs. 'Rosebud14' EUR 1200. See: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/254821553

"Both inserts included. Foldout cover in great shape". Sold for $695.48 on 2016-09-05.

[1279] - JDC, 'spzranger'. "I have number 1279. Have had it since 1985 when I bought it off a guy I worked with near Watford. The cover has the usual browned glue with the tracing paper that holds the vinyl and inserts coming a way a little bit. However, the main problem is on the inside fold out cover the top of the middle page has at some point stuck to the other two pages and so there is a 10 cm wide by 2 cm deep patch with the writing gone on both left and right side. Very annoying! The outside cover is in good condition as is the vinyl itself and I have all the inserts and bags." Pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/88472480@N02/
[1283] - eBay 2006-02-13 USD 411 (USA). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ATMOSPHERE-79-ORIG-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT/4832606569.html
[1286] - eBay 2008-09-03 -> 2009-02-27 GBP 460->770->850. See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ORIGINAL/170254636062.html and http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-1st-Press-Original/160317129273.html and http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-DEAD-SOULS-ATMOSPHERE-100-ORIGINAL-/111172788431?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123&clk_rvr_id=541940681354

JDC, 'slumpy' notes that "Odd that #1286 has managed to acquire a missing card insert since 2008... http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-ORIGINAL/170254636062.htmlhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111172788431?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649"

JDC, 'truth' adds "Yes, and it has also acquired one of the plastic bags taken from one of the recent bootleg editions. You can just see the square around the logo as it was printed on a sticker and stuck to a plain bag. This is unlike the original logo which was printed directly onto the bag. So definitely NOT 100% original as he says."

[1301] - eBay 2017-12-05 GBP 499 Sold by 'toys_and_collectables_2005'. See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Light-Und-Blindheit-Sordid-Sentimental-Rare-Original-1301/192379295136?hash=item2ccab315a0:g
[1303] - eBay 2012-04-29 GBP 705 Sold by 'suenal2004'. Note: photo is fuzzy, so can't be sure if this is legit, also see #0006 above.
[1304] - eBay 2009-06-18 GBP 560 ('sherybyoneal', bought by spindert in the Netherlands). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-1979-ORIGINAL-7/190313941716.html

"This is a very nice copy of one of the rarest of all Joy Division collectables. It isn't one of the later bootleg represses; it's an original 1979 issue, given to me by a member of Rob Gretton's family..."

[1314] - Discogs. Image uploaded by elereew in 2018, note the URL parser has issues with parenthesis so you'll need to select-copy and not click-through: https://img.discogs.com/7Vyxo_GEPlyOU03tRBaWeDhJsjc=/fit-in/600x337/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-193190-1518154817-5924.jpeg.jpg
[1317] - eBay 2008-11-28 GBP 430 ('edukn', bought by yours truly!). http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-1979-limited-edition/170279994430.html

"This has been in my possession since it was released. It was a gift from a work associate of Jean Pierre Turmel, but not being a fan of the band I never desired to play it."

[1333] - eBay 2011-11-06 GBP 650 ('sidraven') http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Mega-Rare-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-SS33002-/290626763191?pt=UK_Music_Music_Memorabilia_LE&hash=item43aab479b7#ht_555wt_1272 sold for GPB 1000.

Relisted 2013-01-13 for GBP 600: ('sidraven' again) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Mega-Rare-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-SS33002-/290843627730?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

[1340] - eBay 2008-03-30->2008-05-03 EUR 420->GBP 508 (latter auction: 'dubme1', bought by bitteseamoeffnedich). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-Und-Blindheit-Original/140218165850.html and http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-100-ORIGINAL/280221688102.html Relisted (and sold) for EUR 750, 2014-05-28: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-und-Blindheit-Erste-Pressung-nur-1578-St-/191192603706?clk_rvr_id=649461340414&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ
[1342] - 'Phillipe in LA'. No idea if he ever sold it.
[1359] - eBay 2006-03-11 GBP 207 (Great Britain). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISIONSORDIDE-SENTIMENTALMINT/4842752302.html
[1370] - spotted by 'RiotNrrrd' (JDC). GBP 1,373.52. See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/110763536594
[1381] - Discogs, 'eversonpoe' USD 1500. See: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/224854308

"Sleeve has slight bunching on back due to age, but is otherwise in fantastic shape. All original pieces included. Record is absolutely NM. Selling on behalf of original owner who does not have a Discogs profile."

[1394] - eBay 2006-11-21 GBP 501 ('toys_and_collectables_2005'...Annan, Dumfries and Gallowway, UK, bought by utan0). See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-13941578-Super-Rare/190051907292.html

"Bought from Rough Trade records in the Notting Hill area of London by a student in the late 70s/early 80's and owned by the same owner, till just recently, as a result this record and sleeve and the seperate translation are all in Great Condition.

The record is number 1,394 out of the 1,578 produced, and it has been played probably about six or seven times in it's life time."

[1406] - Discogs, 'strohsack', EUR 1350. See: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/544606618 Sold for that in Dec 2017.
[1408] - Discogs, 'Discoggi' EUR 1850. See: http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/232970133

"Original issue # 001408. All inserts included. 2 or 3 times played. Minimal noise at fade in. Cover bottom right corner minimal creased. photos"

[1420] - eBay 2010-04-09 USD 1226 ('recordfriendadam') See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-Licht-Und-Blindheit/120551940292.html
[1422] - eBay 2010-05-21 GBP 600 See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-DivisionDead-SoulsAtmosphere-Sordide-Sentimental/120570694611.html
[1425] - eBay 2017-12-19 GBP 1000 See: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-joy-division-record-sordid-sentimental-/122857489935? (4th+ relisting!...given up counting)
[1428] - eBay 2020-07-05 GBP 1000 ended up selling for GBP 596. https://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-Atmosphere-Dead-Souls-Licht-und-Blindheit-14281578Sordide-Senti/174171752042.html Probably not bought so listed again here, for GBP 795: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-7-ORiGINAL-incl-inserts/353345172401?hash=item52450373b1:g ('barsideboyintheclockend')
[1429] - spotted by 'RiotNrrrd' (JDC): http://www.angelfire.com/in/warszawa/ckl.html
[1434] - JDC, 'mrtoad'. Winner of eBay 2013-11-25 for GBP 617, sold by lillois123. See: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301020114626?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649&clk_rvr_id=553986606233 Reselling on eBay for GBP 900, and sold for that: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-Und-Blindheit-ULTRA-RARE-Original-7-Sordide-Sentimental-/282077225149?hash=item41ad1ce0bd:g:tz4AAOSw-4BXbB32
[1439] - eBay. GBP 599. No link supplied, this is per 'Musars' on JDC.
[1447] - marktplaats.nl EUR 1000 See: http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/cd-s-en-dvd-s/vinyl-singles/m951326740-joy-division-licht-und-blindheit-origineel-nr-1447-1578-punk.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr (link defunct)
[1459] - eBay 2011-01-19 GBP 585 See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280614429484&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

(buyer: 'DavidW', JDC handle)

[1460] - eBay 2008-10-08->2008-11-08. GBP 689->405 ('sobryma', won by 'matthewhowardtaylor', who eventually got this is unknown) See: http://www.popsike.com/Joy-Division-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-SS33002/120311136828.html

Apparently, the original buyer didn't go through with the transaction, so this ended up getting relisted.

[1467] - eBay 2016-07-16. EUR 593. See: http://www.ebay.de/itm/45-JOY-DIVISION-Licht-und-Blindheit-Sordide-Sentimental-France-1979-001467-/172265418280?hash=item281bd1ae28:g:G6kAAOSwEjFXfQeD
[1475] - eBay 2011-04-04. GBP 1499->1250 ('kaisersozi') See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130494231795&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123#ht_500wt_1156
[1478] - JDC, friend of 'Still', "purchased from Rough Trade in 1980, not long after it's release."
[1485] - Discogs, see: https://www.discogs.com/sell/history/193190 Sold for $1,283.97 on 2014-03-12. Being resold by 'headradiofour' for EUR 1450: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/491866000 Now in the possession of "@DisorderDMB" (Twitter)
[1493] - eBay 2006-01-10->2006-01-27 GBP 530 (bought by Jeb '50poundnote' Edwards). See: http://www.popsike.com/JOY-DIVISION-ATMOSPHERE-79-ORIG-LICHT-UND-BLINDHEIT/4824601328.html

Another one that got relisted. According to Jeb, he sold his copy back in 2007.

[1504] - eBay 2015-08-25 GBP 740 US 1123.02 ('goldsnic'). See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Licht-Und-Blindheit-ULTRA-RARE-Original-7-Sordide-Sentimental-/121741099312?&rmvSB=true

Relisted on Discogs by 'alekosp', for GBP 850. http://www.discogs.com/sell/item/294842406

[1511] - eBay 2015-06-22 US 898.69 ('recklessrecords') See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Sordide-Sentimental-Original-FRENCH-d-7-Licht-Und-Blindheit-/161635027523?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a232ca43&rmvSB=true

"Incredibly scarce 1st pressing. Stamped as Number 001511 of 1578. Vinyl is VG+, very clean with only a couple of very light surface marks visible under bright grading lights. Labels are clean. The glue on the Vellum pocket is starting to go at the top left corner (to about 2" down) and at the bottom in the usual spot from the weight of the record. The textured sleeve is in overall good shape but there is some wear. The front has a couple of handing dents and the 7" was stored inside of the sleeve so the back has puffed up a bit around where the record was. This has resulted in some overall bending of the back sleeve. The bottom left corner has a ding and there is minor wear to the other corners. It honestly blends in and isn't that noticeable when looking at it as a whole, but please see the photos- they have been lit to hopefully accurately bring out the flaws. The 7" is housed in it's original thin plastic sleeve but there is no outer thin plastic sleeve. This one was stored in a folded standard plastic LP sleeve (with the original purchase sticker on it). Includes both original inserts. The Gesamtkunstwerk insert has very minor handling wear and the Licht Und Blindheit booklet has some light bending at the upper right. Please be in touch if you have any additional questions."

On 2016-06-06, DaveC on the JDC message boards indicated he purchased the above.

[1512] - JDC, 'davis'.

"My ones got beer,red wine and spagetti allover it and bits av bin torn off the cover for roaches, does that make it worth more or less? Its in good nick, as it goes, 1512. I dont remember how I got it...sent off for it after seeing it advertized in NME, maybe?"

updated 2016-05-05: "I still have 1512. Record in very good condition I played it a few times when I first got it direct from SS by post. Sleeve in good condition, It's got that kind of bulge in the back that I've seen described a few times., the front of the sleeve is in very good condition. The glue on the inside is brown and came loose on the lower seem so I stuck a bit of sellotape there ages ago. It has the white translation sheet but not the blue paper, or a plastic bag. Anyway I'm thinking about selling it, but can't be arsed with ebay ect. If anyone is intrested message me, but just so you know you'll have to pick It up from me in Stockholm."

[1516] - 'josef_k'. "Mine (no. 1516) came in a plain plastic bag. I've got other SS singles and the bag is exactly the same size as for the others but just lacks the logo. The only inserts are a little blue advertisment card and an English translation of the sleeve text."
[1526] - Discogs, 'ParisQuartz'. EUR 750 + shipping. See: https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/388023187 Sold for that in Apr 2019.
[1552] - eBay 2011-09-29 US 500 See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-licht-blindheit-ORIG-MINT-SORDIDE-SENTIMENTAL-LTD-ED-7-1979-/350493967252?pt=Music_on_Vinylhash=item519b118394
[UNBR] - eBay 2017-12-19 EUR 999 See: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit-Orig-Sordide-Sentimental-7in-Inserts/292358401508?hash=item4411eb2de4:g:qrsAAOSwa0VaJn3O Claims to be unnumbered.
[UNBR] - eBay 2020-12-08 EUR 857.37 ('musicxx'). See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Joy-Division-Licht-Und-Blindheit-Orig-Sordide-Sentimental-7in-Inserts/292358401508?hash=item4411eb2de4:g:mIIAAOSwm8hfhFhA&autorefresh=true

Also being sold via Discogs? https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1255548921?ev=bp_det

[UNBR] - From Discogs:

I'm from Birmingham UK and bought the L&B single direct from SS in France when it first came out but unfortunately can't remember the number. A couple of years later I was poor enough that I needed to sell my copy (I still regret it now), advertised it at the back of the NME & ended up meeting a girl from Coventry in Brum centre who bought my copy for 50GBP to give to her boyfriend as a present.

Just putting this here in case the story jogs any memories. Meanwhile this brilliant thread has prompted me to try and get in touch with with J-PT with the hope that he kept records of who who he sold them too. Probably not but here's hoping.

All the very best with tracking down all the other copies, a noble quest indeed.

Take care,



In addition, there is the following disposition of copies listed on p.161 of '1 Top Class Manager', as follows:

Band 5x2:        10
Twinny:           1
Terry:            1
Jon Savage:       4 (3 America)
Tony Wilson:      1
Alan Erasmus:     1
Martin:           2
Chris:            1
John Brierley:    1
Neil Spencer:     1
Richard Williams: 1
Alf Martin:       1
Alan Lewis:       1
Paul Morley:      1
Max Bell:         1
Paul Rambali:     1
Angus MacKinnon:  1
Chris Bohn:       1
Steve Taylor:     1
Giovanni Dadomo:  1
Robbi Millar:     1