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Melody Maker 30 Jan 82
Live review by Lynden Barber
http://www.new-order.net/terminal1.demon.co.uk/NewMM1-82live.htm
NOTES
Article focuses on the emerging "dance" aspect of the music. In retrospect, insightful.
Have audio that purports to be from this concert, which was tacked at the end of the the 'Riverside' 1982-01-04 tracks.
The edits are very similar to the ones done for the unaired 'Riverside' tracks, the sound is very similar, so likely done with the same equipment.
Dreams__Never___End_ is listed first for this gig, but may or may not be present on the recording I have, as there's some question to whether the DNE belongs to the Riverside performance or this one, since the source I have of these has these gigs back to back. However, TJ pretty much settled this and DNE does appear in fact to be the first song.
Denial
Truth
Cut at 0:03, with the rest faded in.
Hurt
Hooky flubs the bass intro.
Cut at 1:57, with the remainder faded in.
At about 2:49 Bernard yells "Shut up!" and whoops.
Procession
Cuts at 2:06 and sixteen seconds later, with the remainder portions faded in.
Ceremony
Cuts at 0:40 and two seconds later, with the remainder portions faded in. Cuts after about 75 seconds.
Temptation appears on the setlist but not on what I have for the gig.
However, it was soundchecked, with the version appearing being about 1:30 long. There's some talking, mentioning the TV...and some guitar chords, followed by Hooky's bass.
A brief take of Hurt follows, someone calls out Hooky's name, and then Hooky's bass makes an appearance, but the tape is cut during his vamping.
Bernard's vocals on Temptation seem pretty naked.
Denial
Taper goes "Hooray", and starts tsh-tshing to the drums.
Somebody calls "C'mon Ray...c'mon, c'mon now".
Chosen__Time_ follows. Ends in shooting noises.
ICB is next.
Senses and Dreams__Never___End_ follow.
In_A__Lonely___Place_
Cut after this one.
Ceremony
This sounds like the version that inspired Xiu Xiu's cover version, as it has Bernard singing all over the place and just the hint of xylophones.
Perhaps the worst New Order audience recording I've ever heard.
Hurt is barely recognizable as such.
The__Him_ is marred by the taper (or someone near him) shouting.
Settles down a bit for the rest, but really not very listenable.
In_A__Lonely____Place_ has Bernard screaming "How I wish you were here with me now".
Source courtesy of TJ.
From http://worldinmotion.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=3334038731&f=9334038731&m=1124085831
"Vinz" reports:
"Utrecht: short and rather aggressive. Peter had been in a fight with audience members the day before in Rotterdam at the Glazen Zaal after complaints of the length of the show (30-minus minutes)."
Considering this happened nearly 20 years ago, he can be excused for a bit of chronological inaccuracy...Uterect was on 11 APR 82, and there were two gigs in between.
This is backed up by the following comment made during the 17 MAY 84 Paradiso gig, from "Jon ten Have":
...reminded them of the Rotterdam gig some years before when a big fight broke out after they had only played 20 minutes. The encore included Decades and Love will ..., it was made clear to the audience that it wasn't for them but for a friend who died some years ago."
Ultraviolence
A bit of chatter (in English, I think) at the start.
At about 3:15, somebody says "...get round the back...about the spot... don't you? etc.".
Chosen__Time_
Feedback squall at 0:42 or so.
Everythings__Gone___Green_
Tempo starts out slow but speeds up after a few seconds.
Senses
Feedback squall about 45 seconds in.
Denial
(afterwards)
Some chatter from people, low in volume.
Taper: "One of my fucking knobs has just dropped off."
Associate: "Oh my God!" (probably as a jibe)
There's a bit more muttering, with somebody saying something, someone else replying "Eh?", and the first person repeating it.
Temptation closes out the set, which the crowd judges as having been all too brief, as you can hear boos as the PA backing music comes back on.
Description by Jan Bollansee:
"The penultimate show of the 5-date Dutch tour in April 1982, captured by at least two tapers. Tracks 1-3 are from an audience recording that starts out as a 7+ but improves to 8+ by Ceremony. From track 4 onwards, the source is a superior audience recording that unfortunately cuts in during the intro to Dreams Never End; presumably this taper arrived a little late at the venue? Anyway, our favourite taciturn band delivers (races through) another great performance, including an early rendition of Leave Me Alone and a 15-minute exploration of 'Cramp'. Check it out!
This recording, another low-gen gem, once more comes courtesy of TJ. No recording seems to circulate of the last night in Holland, on the 12th of April at the Staargebouw in Maastricht, so it's off to Belgium after this!"
Ultraviolence
False start at beginning.
Band tune up afterwards, and you can hear someone loudly talking at the start of The__Him_.
Something rare, a drum misfire by Morris at about 3:10.
Song concludes with Hooky's bass, and more tuning, a small edit, and then yet more tuning.
Ceremony follows.
Different source used for Dreams__Never___End_, which is cut.
Senses follows on the heels of DNE.
Hooky tunes at the end of this song.
Leave__Me___Alone_
Bass solo starts out a bit shaky, and a bit in the wrong key. But otherwise, a solid rendition.
Denial and Everythings__Gone___Green_ follow.
Then follows a fourteen-and-a-half workout called Hurt to close things out.
Description by Jan Bollansee:
"The first of two consecutive nights in Belgium, after the 5-date Dutch tour. The Lido club being an acoustic hell, this is far from a clear audience recording - though another low-gen tape from the cornucopia otherwise known as TJ's vault, this is easily the poorest of the extant tapes of the entire European Spring tour of '82. Still, it has its worth as this gig saw the debut performance of 'The Village'. Unfortunately, the encore of Temptation & Ultraviolence is missing.
Hurt
Bit of a strange intro to this. Recording starts in progress...into what ends up being a false start.
The next three songs are played straight through.
Debut of The__Village_.
Cut between Dreams__Never___End_ and Senses.
First source was a set of MP3 files downloaded from the net, which may have originated from a vinyl LP, though it's hard to tell since there's very few (if any) pops or crackles.
Snotters then posted these to STG, from a 2nd gen tape, likely the same source as the above.
This is a superb performance.
We__All___Stand_
The debut performance. I suspect they never topped it.
Extraordinarily good instrumentation here, especially the interplay between guitar and bass, helped by the reverb.
v1 notes:
"It is absolutely fantastic, some of New Order's best ever guitar interplaying as well, all those descending chord configurations.
"Searching for the darkness,
searching for the darkness,
Cut below the headlights
Cut below the headlights
At the old casbah in Cairo x 4
Burnt by the sunshine
Burnt by the sunshine
Keeled to the floor
Keeled to the ground
At the old casbah in Cairo..."
'Rock The Casbah' this is not.
About 25 seconds of silence where the fans chatter in their native tongue.
Ceremony has a punter (in the audience, left channel) singing the lyrics along with Bernard, but because Sumner's vocals don't come in immediately, the punter sounds like he's doing very quiet backing vox. Brief drop at about 2:35.
Some talking during the intro of Dreams__Never___End_.
Hurt features a chattery keyboard line.
The__Him_ follows.
Ultraviolence is faded in, and there's a bit of mic scuffling in the first few seconds. The programmed synth sounds a lot like 586's. This is another "Who killed my father?" variation.
At some point I should write up the lyrics for this version.
Another longish-gap between Chosen__Time_ and Senses filled with ponging synthetics.
Somebody calls out "All right" at the start of Everythings__Gone___Green. Different stuttering synths at the 4:30ish mark. Brief dropouts at 8:20 or so.
The levels drop a bit during Temptation. The echo at the end sounds artifically induced, whatever that means.
Have this on CD courtesy of Brian G. Sound quality is outstanding, as the source is an FM broadcast, easily equalling or surpassing Taras. Even better is a version provided by TS.
The setlist given by Waterrat was as follows:
Temptation, Chosen Time, Truth, Hurt, In A Lonely Place, The Village, Denial, Procession, Ceremony
However, it seems that at least some FM copies of the gig, have has IALP as the first tune, not the fifth. There are edits between most, if not all, of the FM songs, so it's hard to tell sequencing.
TJ reports that the audience copy has IALP between Hurt and The Village. The audience version naturally does not feature breaks or gaps between tracks. However, he later realized that his copy did have the last 20 seconds of IALP at the beginning, so it is indeed the first song of the set.
So the proper setlist is:
In A Lonely Place, Temptation, Chosen Time, Truth, Hurt, The Village, Denial, Procession, Ceremony
The version of this performance on the New Order Anthologies has Truth and Hurt's titles mixed up. The songs are in the exact same order as the original Waterrat listing.
The sixth song in my CD is "Leave Me Alone", but this sounds like it was taken from an LP, with crackling, so this is likely an interpolation from an unknown performance. Likewise with the last song, which is ICB, and a cracking version too.
In_A__Lonely___Place_
Bernard includes an additional verse with the last two lines the same as "the hangman..." verse, but with the first two lines as follows:
"A light that shines down from above/A light that is guided by love"
Temptation
Like the previous song, the vocals aren't turned up until the second line.
Truth
The drum machine seems to have a mind of its own during the intro. Outro transition between this and the next song is a bit rough, perhaps to edit out the broadcaster.
Hurt
Hooky plays a somewhat different riff starting at 1:58. This version goes past 2:30 before Bernard starts vocals. There's some volume fluctuations on the TS version at about 1:30.
This live version, like some others includes the "Let me take you... anywhere you want." lyric. Drum break at about 4:30-ish.
The__Village_
Second time ever that this song is played live. Hooky says something in the first few seconds that I can't make out.
Bass synth riff slightly different than on PCL.
Significant difference in lyrics as well, with the following highlights:
"Our love is like the flowers, the trees, the birds and the sea"
"Our love is like death on ice and our love cease to be"
Song is greeted to more applause than any other song to this point.
Denial
The intro blazes, and the pace doesn't let up. Outstanding.
Even more applause.
Procession
High pitched bass pluck at 0:10 in. Another fast one. Song ends with synth wash and guitar.
Ceremony
Wow, this is the fastest I've ever heard the Order perform this one.
Here follow notes on the songs that I believe are interpolations.
Leave Me Alone
Definitely sourced from elsewhere, due to the increase in surface noise consistent with an LP dub. Barney's opening riff is slightly off. Vocals start at 1:23.
ICB
Very bass/drum-dominated mix, with some amp buzzing. This one sounds more closely in line with the Paris gig, but the vocals sound different, more consistent with his later style.
Thanks to Jan Bollansee for clarifying some of the confusion regarding the sources available for this gig.
Have a tape that appears to be a dub from a boot CD labelled "Dreams Never End". However, this isn't the 3xLP of a couple of their '81 German gigs, but something completely different. Jan says that this issue (11 tracks) was done by the same people who released the 'Dead Bodies Can't Sing' and 'Ceremony' bootleg CDs, all of which were just sourced from prior bootleg LPs.
Here's the songlist of the DNE CD:
Ultraviolence
Procession
ICB
Chosen Time
Hurt (faded out mid-song)
5.8.6
Denial
Dreams Never End
Truth
Senses
Temptation
Here's what I had originally written:
The first 5 songs are exactly the same as Pennies, Norwich 24 May 82, but the sequence of the last six songs don't match anything else listed.
Now, the only England '82 gig listed which doesn't have a track listing is Kilburn National Ballroom, London 05 May 82. What's weird is that Kilburn is listed again as having happened on 25 MAY 82.
I now believe that the 05 MAY 82 entry for Kilburn is probably bogus. The other tracks (thanks to Waterrat's documentation) are taken from the 21 JUN 82 Palasport Italy (586/Denial/Dreams Never End) and 19 SEP 82 Athens performance (Truth/Senses/Temptation). [this assumption is likely incorrect]
Actually, I have another tape of this gig, also taken from LP which has the same running order up to Hurt (as well as the fade) but then 586, Denial, and Everything's Gone Green. I haven't verified whether 586 and Denial are the same Palasport tracks as the DNE/England 82 boot, and I have no idea where EGG comes from.
Jan comments:
"As it happens, the first seven tracks of the 'DNE' CD come straight from the 'Long Farewell to Your Soul' bootleg (including the faded-out 'Hurt', which is at the end of side one of the LP). The four remaining tracks are from another vinyl bootleg I have, which documents the Florence '82 gig (and not Bologna & Athens, as you presume).
Then, you turn to a 'different' source for Norwich, from 'another' bootleg LP. In that instance, you actually give a complete description of the 'Long Farewell' LP, which closes with Denial, Grace Jones' Walking In The Rain and then the final encore of 'Everything's Gone Green'. I suspect that the latter track wasn't copied onto the 'DNE' CD because the intro is pretty garbled at the point where Bernard comes in on the guitar."
Of course, if you go by the labels listed on the cover, and by extention, on the WiM site:
http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/discography/bootlegslp&cd/mn/norwich82.htm http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/discography/bootlegslp&cd/op/procession.htm
...you'd be fooled into thinking those tracks appeared on and/or in the order actually plated. Jan again:
"I've finally done the proper thing and taken out the vinyl bootleg. Presto, the mystery is solved: the tracklisting on the back cover says "Denial/EGG/We All Stand" (see scan), but I can definitely, 100% guarantee that that is not what is on the disc. It's just another case of bootleggers messing up the tracklisting on their product. The fact that the 'Procession' 2xLP lists the same sequence only goes to show that it is based on the "ALFTYS" set (as well as another 83 show). Oh, and now we also know that David Sultan doesn't listen to his bootlegs ;-) ."
And TJ digs out his audience tape copy and sees the setlist is actually:
Ultraviolence/Procession/ICB/Chosen Time/Hurt/Denial/EGG/We All Stand//586
I'm inclinded to believe this was the actual setlist. And this has been confirmed. I'm not sure if TJ's audience copy is the same source as the bootleg...
Ultraviolence
Sequencer pattern is similar to Prime 586. There's a bit of a guitar solo in this one too.
lyric: "Hit me hard..."
Procession follows.
After ICB, fan yells out something loudly, which I can't make out.
A bit of chatter during the Hurt intro, after which somebody cheers. Mostly consisting of a female saying "No".
After all these years, the missing We__All___Stand_ has surfaced. Quite an interesting exploration. Maybe not appreciated by the bloke who yelled out "Wake up, you bastards!"
The gig ends with the debut of 586. The knowledgable among New Order fanatics say that the best live performance of any of their songs is typically their first.
Certainly a case can be made for this version.
And this tidbit from Jan Bollansee:
"I always find it fascinating to hear which songs were played before and after gigs... adds a lot to the atmosphere! Like Grace Jones' Walking In The Rain being played right after the debut performance of 586 in Norwich."
Soundcheck
The__Passenger_
Bernard's playing the chords of the Iggy Pop tune, as one of the punters comments.
There's some talking as Hooky plays the bassline to 586 and From__Safety___To___Where_. Followed by a full 586 take, and then a bit of The__Village_ bass and a touch of melodica, as well has Hooky 1-2'ing.
Two takes of Hurt follow this, the second featuring the bassline to Cries__And___Whispers.
Then you can hear a lady's voice at the end.
Melody Maker 5 Jun 82
Live review by Lynden Barber
http://www.new-order.net/terminal1.demon.co.uk/NewMM6-82live.htm
NOTES
Positive review, however the reviewer wasn't all that excited about New Order's jam with 52nd Street 30 minutes after their proper set.
"You talk too much."
-Hooky addresses some punters
National Ballroom, Kilburn, 25 May 1982
(taken from Adam "Aleph" Gardner's signature)
Writeup, from a CD courtesy of Solitude.
586
Second time this is played.
PH: "Could we have a little bit of light up here Tony please? Thank you."
Hooky hits a few bum notes here, but otherwise it's the early version that some judge to be better than the one that ended up on PC&L.
lyric: "I see bloodshed in my skin..."
Great ending. Big songs...
Some audience chatter in between.
Chosen__Time_
Extended drum intro...
Somebody yells, "You fuck off." Quite a bit of shouting amongst different groups of punters, enough to get Hooky to state to the crowd, "You talk too much."
Ultravolence
lyric: "Who saw the darkness?...Who saw the blind heat?"
At the end a fan comments, "turn the vocals up!"
Loud cheering when the synths of Processions come on.
Somebody calls out for "Dreams Never End", punter closer to the taper comments "you still talk too much". New Order tune their instruments, as somebody else says "Play something new."
We__All___Stand_
Audience comment at end, "Nice one".
PH: "[can't make out], wash your tongues...You're not shouting anything. That's all."
Punter yells out, "Cheer up, Peter!" and Hooky then replies, "That's better."
Hurt
A fabulous version.
Tape edit (actually two) at this point.
Denial
Sparkling guitars.
More tuning afterwards. Someone cries out for EGG.
Temptation
Intro sounds like Everything's Gone Green, but then shifts...
Rapt applause and shouts for "More!", of course.
Squealing tape edit...
Jam__with___52nd___Street_
Definitely unlike anything I've heard from the group before or since. Somebody from 52nd St. can be heard to shout out "Poison", which I think is the name of the track. Ends in feedback.
Juha submitted the following:
New Order
Provinssirock, Seinajoki, Finland
6th of June 1982
No encores. No 'The Passenger' played, despite what Mark Johnson claimed.
Another possibility is that this was played just during the soundcheck, as they've played the guitar riff at least at other coundchecks.
He notes:
"My friend recorded the set with his portable radio cassette recorder from the soundboad tower in the field. Throughout the set there was some static noise - possibly caused by a bad cable of the PA system - which got progressively worse as the gig went on, up to the point of 'We All Stand', where from there it cleared up somewhat."
His first impression of the performance:
A mild let down. They were kinda lost, awkwardly looking at their shoes. One highlight was Hooky's over the top stage presence."
Then he writes:
"Now that I listened the tape few times New Order actually was playing quite tightly and sounded great according to the laws of NO physics. No major fuck-ups at all. Guitars mostly in tune, just a little bit of annoying in-the-middle-of-the-song tuning. The most distinctive element of their music - Hooky's bass playing - was in its place and brilliant.
The tunes are stripped-down compared to the originals, yet contain the essense of the recorded versions. Hooky was singing 'Dreams Never End', with Barney doing the rest. No "hello-we-are-a-band-you-must-be-the-audience" babble. Not even a single song title. Not a word. I don't remember they said an extra word during the whole gig to communicate with the audience. Super cool!"
Juha reckons that the tape rates as A-/B+, if it weren't for the static hiss that can be heard throughout. I say it's definitely A-. He also notes that the version of Ultraviolence on this was quite short, nothing like the 20+ minute opus heard elsewhere around this time. While the weather conditions, equipment problems, and band mindset perhaps resulted in a sub-par show, what we hear of New Order on tape belies Juha's initial impressions.
He then adds:
"I'm pretty sure there was some long tuning breaks. According to the tape it sounds like recording was paused during the band was tuning and struckling with their equipment. Not any significant loss, really. Annoying, but not too bad though."
"Ultraviolence' is app. 3 min. long. Is it really that short? I feel like there's a bit more than few seconds missing. I don't know. Hmm... makes me wonder. There's nice version of 'We All Stand' - kinda reggae sound system echo used in it. Overall the tunes eventually released in their 2nd album are in their early stage or just rawer, down stripped live versions." 586 in particular is a highlight, in it's "Taboo #7" form.
Some additional comments from Juha, regarding the rarity of the recording and more information regarding the atmosphere of the gig:
"You are possibly quite right. This tape of mine has never been out in any circulation whatsoever. It's quite possibly there are only two copies in existence - I made one extra safety copy of it to myself. If I ever made one for my friend - the recording engineer - it's most likely lost or destroyed. I don't remember if I'd made a copy for the third friend who participated at Provinssi. So there're max. 3 copies in existence nowadays, but not very likely - most likely only these two I have. Until now...
The Finnish personnel involved seemed to be somewhat indifferent. Who knows? There might be some (most likely a cassette, as DAT wasn't available back then) SBD existing - capturing all that static interference crystal clear! But this is most definitely the best audience recording made from this show - if any other exist - not because of the hi-tech gear used all the way through the process but the location it was recorded from. You simply cannot beat a soundboard/control tower that easily! And those days it wasn't that common people had recordable gear of any kind with them. Who can tell?
I doubt even NO/personnel involved have any recollection of that catastrophic experience/bad memory. According to my friend there was NO interview in some news/musicpaper. They were asked what they remembered from that gig in Provinssi. They said something about dismal/dready experience, possibly referring to a chilly and rainy day which may have had something to do with causing the sound problems (synths/sequencers being very sensitive to humidity) - not long before before NO started, the sun started to shine - and muddy, out of their head drunken kids, crazy ordinary Finnish citizens all over the place. Which is, by the way, a beautiful park; full of trees and green grass with a small lake and all."
Another question was the exact date. Juha had questioned whether the performance occured on Saturday, June 5th as opposed to Sunday, June 6th (which is what the various official sources had given), but it turns out that his recollection was a bit hazy and that the gig had indeed happened on Sunday, as the weather that day had been clear for a part of the day rather than completely rainy as it was for the previous day, which matches up what had been reported for their performance.
Also, according to SOUNDI 7/82 Pauli Kosonen's festival report and Thomas Harald in the VASABLADET newspaper, 'Everything's Gone Green' was played. Considering the recording was paused twice, it's not inconceivable that this song was not taped. But according to the taper, no such thing happened, and the journalist simply misidentified one of the tracks, in my estimation, most likely 586, since it was a very new song and to the casual observer (or lazy journalist), may have resembled Everything's Gone Green, and that one source passed it onto the other.
A transcription of the crowd banter. New Order do not speak at all thoughout.
Due to my inability to render non-ASCII characters, "x" is used for "a" with an umlaut, and "z" is used for "o" with the same.
Ultraviolence
1:17: "Vai pitiks jxtkix nxhdx?"
TRNS: "So this group (New Order) is a must-see?"
(addressing Juha's friend.)
1:19: "Txh?"
TRNS: "Wha'?"
(Juha's friend's initial response.)
The initial person repeats his question, with no audible immediate response. A little bit later, there's the following.
2:01: "Hei Sviikki!"
TRNS: "Hey, Sviikki!"
2:02: "No?"
TRNS: "Yeah?"
2:03: "Kuka ne o?"
TRNS: "Who are they?
2:04: "New Order?"
2:05: "New Order? Jaha."
TRNS: "New Order? Yup."
2:31: "Ootteko te kaverit ton txnne pxxstxnyt?" TRNS: "Did you guys let him in here?"
(Probably referring to the taper who had mounted the control tower for the taping.)
Senses
4:30: "Yks kundi toi noi."
TRNS: "Some guy brought those.
(Pointing out the recording gear of the friend of Juha's.)
4:32: "Txh?"
TRNS: "Wha'?"
4.33: "Yks kundi toi noi. Mx annoin xxnittxx sen." TRNS: "Some guy brought those. I let him record."
4:37: "Et kovin suurta lzytxnyt?"
TRNS: "Couldn't find anything bigger?"
(A sarcastic/amused comment about the recording gear being not so big addressed to Juha's friend.)
4:38: "Kyllx"
TRNS: "Yes."
(This is somebody else besides the taper replying.)
Temptation
7:03: "Hirvee jyrinx!"
TRNS: "Terrible rumble!
A few seconds later, the same person asks:
7:06: "Mistxhxn se johtuu?"
TRNS: "What might be causing it?"
(about the buzzing)
7:08: "Voi olla et niillx o joku piuha poikki. Ei se pxivxllx ottanut yhtxxn."
TRNS: "It may be they have some cable cut. It didn't cause any (interference) earlier today."
We__All___Stand_
0:12: "Ota valot kokonaan pois."
TRNS: "Turn the lights completely off."
2:51: "Siellx ei oo valoja mihin mx pyrin." TRNS: "There're no lights that I can get connected. That's what I'm doing here."
2:54: "Txx tulee pois."
TRNS: "This one is an output".
2.56: "Hei!"
TRNS: "Hey!"
2:57: "Kokeile Tuomas valomiehix."
TRNS: "Tuomas, try out the lighting crew."
2:58: "Txh?"
TRNS: "Wha'?"
2:59: "Valomiehix!"
TRNS: "The lighting crew!"
3:00: "Koko ajan."
TRNS: "All the time."
(Tuomas sounds annoyed because he has been working on contacting the lighting crew)
3:02: "Hei valot! Onks valomiehix?"
TRNS: "Hey lights! Any lighting crew?
(this is 'Tuomas' talking over a command line between the control tower and lighting crew)
3:10: "Otit sx kaikki jo pois?"
TRNS: "Did you turn 'em off yet?"
3:12: "Onks nxx valoja?"
TRNS: "Are these the lights?"
(probably referring to the switches)
3:13: "Joo-o."
TRNS: "Yep."
3:18: "Koko ajan ollu pois."
TRNS: "Been off all the time."
3:28: "Ai kokonaan?"
TRNS: "All of them off?"
4:28: "Jep. Niil on lxhtz kunnossa."
TRNS: "Yep. They've got the output in order.
4:30: "Oikee otto pxxllx?"
TRNS: "Correct input on?"
4:33: "Ei aavistustakaan."
TRNS: "Not the slightest clue."
4:34: "Siis mitx?"
TRNS: "Say what?"
4:42: "Ei ollu pxxllx vai?"
TRNS: "So it wasn't on, right?"
6:31: "Lopettais nyt jo saatana! Txx on huono avaus." TRNS: "Can't they just fucking stop? This is a bad start."
(Juha notes that this person's probably more worried about the rest of the weekend than about New Order's particular performance. This pro isn't a particularly happy camper right about now)
6:48: "Varos vxhx sitx."
TRNS: "Watch out for that one."
7:03: "Pitiks sun tarttua?"
TRNS: "Did you have to grab that?"
(Juha doesn't have the slightest idea what this was about.)
Procession
0:02: "Aika hyvx."
TRNS: "Pretty good."
(probably about the quality of the sound. No indication that he's being sarcastic here)
0:04: "Ei se vaan sekxxn. Ei se valoon voinu saada ainoastaan." TRNS: "It wasn't even that one. It couldn't have leaked into just the lights."
0:08: "Aika hoopoja ne ottaa."
TRNS: "Pretty goofy ones they let on."
(Possibly about the dubious, in this person's opinion, choice of letting New Order play in this festival.)
0:09: "Ei txtx jumalatkaan kestxis."
TRNS: "Not even the Gods could endure this."
(His counterpart is less harsh towards the band.)
0:12: "Toiki on hyvx ehkx jossain mielessx." TRNS: "Maybe even that (New Order) is good in some sense."
0:16: "Se kikkaili noilla pelleillx, nii se ei ollu hyvx." TRNS: "He was messing around with the cymbals so that they would sound bad."
(probably directed at to whoever soundchecked the drums, since in this person's view, they didn't do a very good job)
0:19: "Tosi xhellys."
TRNS: "Real toiling."
0:20: "Se oli hirveetx."
TRNS: "It was terrible."
0:21: "Joo mx kuulin sen nii kauhea xhellys." TRNS: "Yeah, I heard it so it was like terrible toiling."
0:24: "Sit siellx oli enemmxnki niitx." TRNS: "Then there're some more of them."
3:39: "Lopeta nyt jo."
TRNS: "Stop now already."
3:55: "Se kundi lxhti pois?"
TRNS: "That guy went away?"
3:56: "Joo. Aikoja sitten."
TRNS: "Yeah. A long time ago."
3:57: "Se xijx hxvis."
TRNS: "That geezer disappeared."
4:03: "Ja lisxx vaan txllxstx."
TRNS: "An' some more of this."
(being totally sarcastic)
4:04: "Kyllx."
TRNS: "Yes."
A fairly-odd sounding one sound-wise...volume levels are all over the place...maybe be due to excessive NR, as my copy sounds fairly metallic.
In_A__Lonely___Place_ and Dreams__Never___End_ first.
Some near audience comments (in Italian) during the intro of Chosen__Time_.
Powerful version of The__Him_.
A bit of feedback and tuning after this, as well as quite a bit of chatter.
ICB
(after)
Bernard scraps his guitar pick across his strings.
Girl calls out for "Sarahmonee" between tracks.
The__Village_ follows. This is the only non Movement-era track they performed that night.
Denial sounds especially garbled here.
More "Sarahmonees".
Everythings__Gone___Green_
More loud shouting at the end of this.
Ceremony
Ditto here.
586 follows.
Amusing singalong to Temptation, with a few screaming out the name of the title. There's a break about a minute in, and lots of screaming near the end, some of it for "Barney".
Taken from a bootleg LP, most likely the "Bologna 06/21/82" double LP issue. I'm now of the opinion that this is sourced from a an excellent-quality audience tape rather than a soundboard, as the kick drum/cymbals are more echoey than what you would get with a soundboard and there is near audience banter that can be heard in between the second and third songs.
Temptation and Procession start out the set. There's a fairly long gap between those and We__All___Stand_.
Senses
Solid version of the Movement classic.
586
This version starts off with a repeated Hooky bass note, and a sequencer pattern close to, but not quite the same, as the one on Video 586.
Fade between 586 and Hurt.
The bass riff at some point on this goes deliciously off-key.
BS: "Thanks very much. We love Italy as well."
The__Village_
Lyrics are still not in their final form. A beautiful rendition.
"It goes up, it goes down, it touches the ground."
"Oh, this day is like the time, it comes behind...out our behind. This day is like the tide, it hurts me, it hurts me, it hurts me, it hurts me, I buy it, I'll buy it."
"The starlight is beautiful, the sky is quite nice too." "The starlight is beautiful, the sky, babe(?), is okay."
Any help in finalizing these lyrics would be most appreciated.
Edit between The Village and Denial, which segues neatly into Dreams__Never___End_. Ceremony and a very strong In_A__Lonely___Place_ finish out the set. Actually, all the tracks are strong, this is a worthy mate to the Milan gig the day after.
Original text for this entry (not very accurately) read:
"Tracks 6-8 of the second 'Dreams Never End' boot are taken from this performance. There's no audience banter to speak of, but sound quality is very good, having originated as a soundboard recording."
CD from Solitude. Source is soundboard, sound is excellent. Have another version from TS with even better sound, though more hiss and less NR.
Truth
Fade-in. Crackling 8-9s in.
Dreams__Never___End_
Barney tunes up as Gillian plays intro.
A bit more tuning before the Order play Chosen__Time_ Bernard's vocals start up low in the mix.
Barney says something (off-mic, impossible to make out) and changes guitars (you can hear him unplug/plug).
ICB
"Taken from a killing ground" line repeated. Hooky's backing vocals are fairly notable, as they're somewhat off-key.
Break in the TS version between the tracks.
Leave__Me___Alone_
Seventh time they play this one. Interesting version, not the best playing, but worth paying attention to.
Bernard's guitar tone is different than it should be, and he's a bit off with respect to a few of the notes and playing in time to Gillian. Gillian's guitar is left speaker, Bernard's is right, as left guitar keeps playing as Barney sings.
The lyrics are a bit different. Open "thousand islands" line is awash in reverb.
lyrics: "They are favorite sayings(?) from head to toe, it's the same. There are a thousand bad dreams in the night, I've seen a thousand bloodless, sleepless fights..."
and
"There is [three words starting with 't'] on the horizon..."
The ending guitar salvos are somewhat different than the release.
Denial
About 2:00 the tape on the Sol version garbles as the heads run over a stretched bit.
Procession
The "life keeps getting stranger line" has special emphasis.
586
BS: "Quiet please, can't hear meself think up here." (not preserved on the soundboard version but is on the audience tape)
The intro for this version sounds more like Video 586 than the PC&L release, However, the lyrics are the same as the release. The break survives in the untitled portion of PC&L between "The Village" and "586".
This segues right into Temptation, and from there into Everythings__Gone___Green_.
There's a dropout for a few seconds in all copies of EGG I've heard (at about 2:20) so that's likely a problem with the master. The sound effects rock, lots of reverb on Barney's vocals...this is about the time New Order really start coming into their own.
It sounds like the fans are yelling "Barney"...but it could be Italian for "more".
When__Im___With___You_
PH: "If you liked the last three, you'll like this one." (only on audience version, soundbard has it cut)
This is the Sparks cover. It's extraordinary that New Order also had one other cover (Turn The Heater On) and an original (Too Late) that were debuted in the same month, but were never heard from again, at least in their original form.
At about 3:35, Barney states, "This is why we don't do encores..." and at 3:54, "This is a bad idea." There's a brief dropout at the 4:44 count that's present on the Sol version but not on the TS version. At almost the 11:00 Hooky starts playing the bass riff for Ceremony.
My original copy was supposedly a 3rd gen soundboard tape (most likely really an audience tape), 'davemings' on STG seeded a 2nd gen copy that sounds very pleasing to these ears.
There has been some confusion over how many sets were played. The consensus is that there was only one, with the "first" set listed matching the one listed for Tenax - Florence, Italy, with IALP tacked on. I may have done my part in perpetuating this error, since the original Waterrat listing did not list two sets (though it seems to now!)
I'll keep the following from 'twist' for now, as it documents the ficticious set:
"I think this was for the opening of the hacienda. Anywho, two sets played. Power cut during the second set. From NOOL "There were two sets for those lucky few who had managed to get into the opening of the Hacienda, in what would be a momentous night. Overcoming the sound problems was the first problem faced by the band, as the power blew during Ultraviolence at the start of the second [sic] set, and the sound system was generally churning out a muddy and uneven sound.
The first set (Dreams Never End, 586, Procession, Chosen Time, Truth, Senses, Ultraviolence, Everything's Gone Green, Temptation, In A Lonely Place) contained no surprises, and it was left to the headline set to get everyone on their feet (20 minute delay not withstanding). Re-opening with In A Lonely Place and Ultraviolence before the powercut, the band came back to pummel us with Denial, spark curiosity with The Village, chill us out with We All Stand, speed things up again with a rejuvenated Senses and Chosen Time, finishing with the new electronic way forward in the face of the triumvirate that was 586, Temptation and EGG."
CW recalls that there was a soundcheck tape with We All Stand, The Village, 586, Temptation, EGG, which he never had a copy of.
I've been able to trace down three versions:
(1) Bootleg version, the one with the '82 Italian dates
(2) 'davemings' STG version.
(3) Since then, another version has surfaced, which is more complete
in that it has a compere introducing the venue.
I figure (2) was recorded closer to the PA, and is loud, with somewhat better sound than (3). (1) sounds the murkiest of the lot.
From (3), announcer (unidentified, not Tony Wilson):
"Hacienda. That's really for members. Next Tuesday, for the 29th of June, we have 52nd Street and Swamp Children. The Saturday after that, the 3rd of July, the rearranged Funkapolitan. And the Wednesday, 7th of July, a concert you shouldn't miss, Liaisons Dangereuse, and on Friday, the 9th of July, A Certain Ratio. [punter: "that's quite good, innit"] What about that? The next newsletter will be out pretty soon, as will the membership cards, still problems getting the embossing done at a very secret printers. Admission very soon will be even lower, that means even though you'll pay nothing tonight, we'll pay you to come. Okay, this is not just another venue, but a club, and it's based not on mere consumption but on contribution. So what are you going to give? (punter: money). So the Hacienda gives you, tonight, New Order!"
Josef K says that Barney may have played keyboards for 52nd Street for that gig, but hasn't been able to confirm it.
Then a 52nd Street ("Cool As Ice", I think) song comes over the PA.
In_A__Lonely___Place_ starts out things.
BS: "One two." And then a couple of notes on the melodica, which bear a striking resemblence to the opening synth line of Sooner Than You Think, two years early. Synth here sounds very untuned. (3) is the most complete, (1) only has the trailing bit of the melodica blast, a clink of glasses, and somebody a few seconds into the drum intro saying something like "what a lousy place" (2) has the melodica and then punters yelling out "Oh!" and "Bernard."
Then Ultraviolence, with the bass levels being a bit too high and causing a bit of distortion...in line with the comments made above about the problems with the Hacienda's PA. Barney's vocals are full of reverb as usual on '82 recordings.
At shortly before 3:30 the power cuts out, leaving the audience shouting in confusion.
(edit)
Alan Erasmus (thanks to Dave Mings for the ID) and Wilson talk next.
RG: "...a little problem. It's gonna get ugly(?) eh? Just stick around please."
[only heard on (2), (3) has an edit point starting here]
TW: "It's either a fuse or a bad wire, if it's only a bad wire, it should be traceable, it'll be about ten minutes. Sorry about this solution."
Another edit and a bit more crowd before the power is restored and New Order start over playing Ultraviolence again.
Denial follows.
The__Village_ has an interesting bass synth riff not otherwise present on the release.
About 30 seconds gap between this one and the next song, which is We__All___Stand_. On (3), a punter identifies the track.
Drop-out in right channel at 4:14, lasts about 10 seconds. (2)
Also (2):
A/B split between We All Stand and Senses, fadeout captures the first couple seconds of boinging synths, which is cold-start replayed. Another small break before the next one, Chosen__Time_.
(3) has an edit point after Chosen Time.
Then follows 586, with the Touch records sequencer sound rather than the later PCL sound. Bass sound is distorted here. Bit of a drop in levels at about 15:10, coming back at about 15:25. (2)
(3) sounds complete to these ears.
Folks deem this performance to be a bit lackluster, since it was a bit of a one-off, maybe New Order was underrehearsed. Also could be that the crowd wasn't getting into it, so the band wasn't, and vice versa.
Tape I have is the one davemings seeded to EZT, which he lists as possibly being second generation. And, wonder of wonders, a soundboard recording of this gig has surfaced!
To quote Mark Johnson:
"Held on a windy, rain-swept evening near Blackpool's North Pier, this concert was promoted and supported by Section 25, with an appearance by Kevin Hewick. It was one of the group's rare nationally-advertised concerts and one Portuguese fan travelled all the way from Lisbon to see them. Though New Order's digital sequencer had failed the week before and could not be repaired in time for the concert, the band rented equipment for the event. "Age Of Consent", written that month, was debuted and the sell-out crowd of 1,000 gave New Order a tumultuous reception."
And indeed, this explains why the sequenced tracks sound so different, with "586" being especially amazing. This is simply the best version of that track ever, which shames all later versions, with the opening guitar and ending synth and bass work being stunning. And a version of "We All Stand" that's a keeper, though Hurt for some reason is a shambles, as the sequencer mysteriously speeds up a bit after 3:00 in.
Notes pertain to audience tape, unless where otherwise indicated.
JC on EZT writes:
"Procession starts a bit muffled presumably just as the keyboards start up, and there's a pronounced shuffling of the microphone between 4 to 8 seconds into this first track, and it sounds as though the microphone carrier was clapping at the end of 'Procession' just as the keyboards wind-down."
At the end there's a feedback squall, plus Hooky off-mic shouting out "Wanker! You musty(?) twat...".
Ceremony follows.
More shouting from the same bloke as before after the applause, which dies out to near-silence, almost unheard of for an Order gig.
586
Mic scuffle at 0:12-0:13. Old style intro, actually a bit different than other versions either before or after, which might be because the sequencer is playing the song in a different key than PH or BS are. Thanks to indiearchivist for that observation.
Truth follows to polite applause.
The intro to We__All____Stand_ is much unlike anything I've heard from this song...it's starts out much too fast a tempo, which is slowed down right before Bernard plays. A pity, because it's a really cool effect.
Hooky tunes his bass at the end. Somebody says "Does [something] like that?
There's a brief tape edit on the audience tape here.
PH: "Don't give a fuck."
The soundboard tape has an edit after this.
Hurt
The sequencers mysteriously speed up at about 3:24, probably throwing off Hooky's bass riff. A shambolic performance.
(one of the audience versions)
Somebody says "one more", someone else says "ten minutes, ten minutes", and then the same person, closer to the mic, says "fourteen minutes". Wonder if this refers to how much tape is left.
PH: "Got one of those rigs, Steve?"
A long pause then a couple of guitar noises.
Everythings__Gone___Green_
Excellent intro...
More conversation about how much time is left, the reply this time is "ten minutes".
Age__Of___Consent_
The debut performance!
The lyrics strike me as being looser than other early performances, with Barney singing in a falsetto at one point.
Song strips down before ending. Sounds like tape is slowed down and then stopped rather than the normal cut.
Ultraviolence
Sound quality gets noticeably worse, a lot more hissy. There's some talking at the beginning of this which may correspond with JC getting up and leaving, assuming JC was near the taper as he seems to suggest.
Gap at 0:50 (tape flip?) and a left channel drop at 1:02.
Quite a few improvisional lyrics, the best bit being, "This is the end...I like the end, and some very nice cooing.".
The song ends in some synth effects.
JC's account of the gig, from EZT:
"Did a quick download and listening now. First thing that strikes me is that the recorder was nowhere near the PA, probably taking a central position. I guess it was a good way back too, as I have memories of a decent crowd near the band at the front. If you compare with the Blackpool Scamps recording in 1980, you can tell that Scamps was a small, low-roofed club.
I too was towards the back of the concert hall, which may go some way to explain why I didn't enjoy the sound either. I arrived just in time for New Order after a few strong lemonades in the Metropole Hotel across the road.
The performance is not as bad as I remember, but it's a lacklustre effort at times. Looking at the dates on the website Live Browser, this one is a bit of a one-off, so they may only have practiced at the soundcheck? The crowd are not offering too much assistance either. It takes two to tango, and neither band or crowd are giving much.
I didn't miss as much as I thought, as I'm sure I heard 'Age Of Consent', and left presumably during 'Ultraviolence'. Now that was lacklustre. I was with my friend Martin, who also liked New Order a lot and played in one of the support bands when Joy Division played Blackpool in 1979, and we both were underwhelmed by the event.
If memory further serves me correctly, this event was an attempt at something Factory were trying to do, which was to provide DJ's and dance music, and have short sets from bands too. That date would have been the Monday of the late August Holiday weekend, so maybe a few worn-out souls had spent all their energy by that Monday night?
Having to go back to work after the Monday holiday dampened our spirits, those that had work in 1982!!!!
Regards, John"
Description from http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremony/neworder/no_disc/notapes.html
Tape bootleg lists:
ultraviolence, dreams never end, denial, unknown pleasures (interesting title for 'leave me alone' ed.), procession, chosen time, in a lonely place, everything's gone green, temptation, probable result ("I'm not the kind...") 586 (encore) [all sic] Incl. new song "Age of Consent"
Tape I have is of indeterminate quality, second or third generation. I also have an MP3, which uses a different source (need to verify this). Don't know which sounds better. Both snotters and waterisnat from STG seeded copies of this gig, but mine may be superior, although not really enough to warrant a re-reseed.
In 2006, a new version taped by v1 surfaced, better than any prior version.
Some good Bernie whoops and screams during Ultraviolence. Waterisnat's version has a dropout at 2:32.
Dreams__Never___End_
Snotters' version has a brief dropout at 0:50. Mix has Hooky's vocals very low.
Denial
Punter on Snotters version comments that this is an old song.
Volume drop on Snotters' tape between 0:20-0:35, not present on other tapes, as well as at the 3:50 point.
Leave__Me___Alone_ has different lyrics, kinda hard to make out, but Bernard repeats "It's the last time" a few times.
On the v1 version, the taper comments that he'd rather sit down for a bit, with his female companion assenting.
Procession has a bit of "one two" soundchecking during the intro.
A remarkable occurance:
Chosen__Time_ segues into In_A__Lonely___Place_ (with a detour into Hooky playing a bit of the bassline for Decades), which segues into Everythings__Gone___Green_, which has a Hooky count-in and innovative dub effects, which segues into Temptation.
A/B split on v1 tape at this point.
Hooky has a false start with bass intro to Age__Of___Consent_. Bernard sings "I wish I was black and had a six foot long dick." Don't we all?
The Snotters audience tape has somebody commenting on Bernard's change of lyrics. "He changed the words?"
Edit on v1 version.
Meanwhile people are cheering for an encore, which NO give, in the form of 586, sounding like Prime 5-8-6 but with vocals.
PH: "This is only because you've been here long as we have."
Soundcheck
Sound is nothing to write home about.
Fast drumming
Slower drumming
Faster drumming
Hurt (instrumental)
Temptation
More drumming
Hooky checking the mics and other miscellany
Temptation starts things off, and sounds fairly bouncy.
A break between Procession and Ultraviolence and some audience chatter. At the start of of UV Bernard says a word or two that's impossible to make out. There's a tape cut about 2:30 in. Very interesting 'stutter' ending.
Truth
The intro to Ultraviolence gets fired off by mistake.
We__All___Stand_
More audience chatter (in Greek) as New Order prep for the next song.
BS: "Shut up, you stupid p...sters!"
A loud reverb/echoed scream after the "end of the road" bit. Barney sings "to the end of the road" near the end. Song ends abruptly with the keyboard motif played really badly.
Bernard says something that starts of with, "If you got..." but I can'tmake out the rest.
Senses follows.
Truth
Features following stanza after the bridge:
"Too hard to rumble/Too hard to humble/Too hard to mumble."
Hurt
Edit in tape, so the first bit is cut.
This one also has different lyrics, with Bernard announcing "I hate you...I don't know you, and I don't want to." and a lot of other bits that will be fun to pick out.
Dreams__Never___End_ is its usual rousing self.
The__Village_
(aborted)
New Order tune and Bernard mumbles out something to introduce. They try to play the Village, but fail, and the crowd boos in derision.
Age__Of___Consent_
Features the homage to Lou Reed involving skin color and hugely-sized genitalia.
As well as, "I have a boy that needs to tell you..." and "Well, the past is the past and the present is never..." and other improvisations I need to pick out.
Excellent.
The A and B sides to FAC33, Ceremony and In_A__Lonely___Place_, close out the set.
The following was the original entry, which I believe is not true:
"Tracks 9-11 of the second 'Dreams Never End' boot are taken from this performance. There's no audience banter to speak of, but sound quality is very good, having originated as a soundboard recording."
I have a video of this, while my version appears to have been an optical transfer, and therefore nearly unwatchable, through the magic of the Internet, we now have a much better copy.
Here's what GaoBest has to say about this one:
"I think 11-27-82 is from a close-circuit recording; the venue consisted of a bar room and a performance room, and used tripod cameras for a close-circuit feed into tv sets in the bar room. Excellent quality photography, but of course generation loss... but if you've been to the Shoreline, I'm sure you've been to the bar during music performance, or seen the "overscreen" TV screens, which show band footage scenes... just like that!"
His version is better, not being an optical transfer, though the color cuts in and out...it's seen one too many generations of copies. Writeup is based on his copy.
There are probably brief edits between all of the tracks.
Apparently this wasn't from closed-circuit TV but was filmed in the balcony. Reports are that an instrumental version of 'New Dawn Fades' was played at soundcheck.
Ceremony
There's an individual wearing a blue Duke t-shirt (Terry Mason) that is leaning back in a Christ-like post for much of the performance of this song.
All the band are facing in different directions. Bernard is wearing a sleeveless white shirt with a badge of an eagle on a shield, Gillian a knee-high print dress, Hooky in stark contrast to the singer/guitarist wearing a sleeveless black shirt, and Stephen a long-sleeved white collared shirt.
The intro to Ultraviolence gurgles until Gillian presses something. Intense, amazing.
lyric: "Down to the ground / In your shit-hole!"
Chosen__Time_
Bernard switches his guitar before the start of this track. At the end, he goes over to the banks of keyboards and starts fiddling.
Dreams__Never___End_
Starts with an off-focus closeup on Hooky.
We__All___Stand_
Duke of Christ-pose is back.
New Order lose the plot somewhat near the end of this song. Apparently Barney has problems with his guitar, eyeing the bridge, which may have been the source of the problems.
Temptation
Newly-discovered footage has surfaced of this song, but with a worse-quality soundtrack.
Truth
Vocoder makes its appearance. Bernard sings the first line in a near-croon, but shifts to a more restrained vocal. Stephen steps away from the drumkit and goes behind the keyboard. Sound starts to cut out between first and second verses.
Your__Silent___Face_
Second time this song is ever played live, the first being two nights before. Remarkably well-formed for such a virgin rendering, lyrics are complete including the classic 'why don't you piss off' bit. About the only thing different is the sound of the syndrum.
Temptation is cut from this recording, only the first couple of seconds survive on most copies. However, it was recorded, albeit with loads of distortion.
The sound of Denial cuts out a couple of times.
Blue__Monday_
The second-ever performance, the first having been two nights before. This is the first performance with vocals, the previous one having been instrumental.
Bernard sits down and sips at his beverage through the intro. Hooky is playing drums throughout. Not otherwise much different than the version we all know and love.
One minor difference is Bernard sings "How should I feel" instead of "How do I feel". And Gillian's keyboard playing is lovingly shaky here. At one point, Barney and Stephen start talking, in and of itself a fairly unusual occurence.
No setlist for this performance has surfaced...
This was just posted by one "Brubut" on DIME, in a thread about Irvine:
"Thanks for posting this. It reminds me of the first NO gig I saw at The Capitol Theatre Sydney in 1982. I was the record company person looking after support John Cooper Clarke and he and NO decided to do a surprise encore of Lady Godiva's Operation. JCC spent the day at my place learning the lyrics. On the night most people had started leaving the show due to the New Order Don't do Encores signes everywhere when they came back on for a stunning and unique version of the VU track. The sad news is back at the hotel later that night drinking with NO and JCC I was briefly (legally) in posession of the desk tape but someone from NO's crew asked for it back. Question is, has anyone got a recording of this show in particular the encore?"
Now that would be something worth hearing, wouldn't it? Perhaps the tape still exists in the Gretton box, but who knows if it's got the encore track on it."
When asked about the setlist, he replied:
"Unfortunately I couldn't possibly remember the set list. I should have grabbed one when I was back stage. Hinsight is such a great thing. I might see if I can chase up a copy through JCC. See if he ever got a copy of the tape. I was originally given the desk tape to make him a copy but it was taken away by someone (tour manager) who said they'd do it. If I ever get it I'll certainly share it on DIME."
Age__Of___Consent_, Chosen__Time_, and Ultraviolence are played without any comment.
A bit of a pause between this number and We__All___Stand_.
The__Him_ follows.
Hurt
Brief cut at 2:03.
Song has strange tempo changes during the middle part.
Your__Silent___Face_ is up next.
Brief cut at the start of Procession.
586 and Temptation follow.
The original Gigography listing for both this and the 06 DEC 82 gigs are believed to be swapped, with this having been listed as the Christchurch date. This has been fixed.
Details regarding this gig from GaoBest
81 minutes
note: this is the mixing desk recording; originally recorded on
reel-to-reel tape, in incorrect phasing; phasing corrected in 1983
or 1984 or so; later archived to DAT in LP (32khz) speed.
note: there is also an audience recording, of which I've not
yet heard to determine if the 5-8-6 track is longer.
Your__Silent___Face_
Fans say stuff like "fuck this" during the silence after the false start.
Somebody burps before the start of Temptation.
Dreams__Never___End_ and The__Him_ follow.
Then a halting start to Leave__Me___Alone_.
The last lines of the first stanza are "And all days end just the same."
In_A__Lonely___Place follows.
End bass notes back into Hurt.
This version has different lyrics at the end. The reverb makes it difficult to make these out.
Denial is next, followed by Age__Of___Consent_.
Hooky calls out "1-2-3-4", which can barely be heard, out of the break.
Some drum sequences.
Blue__Monday_
(the following is in response to a heckler, but I can't entirely make it out)
BS: "I can't fucking hear a word you're saying so if you don't like it, you can fuck off. She said...making fun of us...in fact, I could be in bed at this very moment. You like drums? I hope you like drums because it goes on like this for another half an hour, and there's another one just the same after it." (thanks to tribeca737 for the corections)
"Those who came before you/
Made a real mess/
From the murder to confusion/
We'll turn away no more."
There's also other twists...as this is a very early version, only the third time that this is played. Love the ending, pitch-shifted synth wash.
586
The taper inadvertantly hits pause about about 6:47 or so. (this might refer to the beginning part of 586, which on the soundboard version is 16:20 long)
After about 14:00, the tempo speeds up.