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Paradise
Very start is missing.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Subculture
BS: "Subculture. Eventually."
BS: "Thank you."
Somebody taps the mic.
Way_Of_Life
Guitars during the bridge are a bit out of tune.
Sunrise follows, as does Your_Silent_Face.
The latter cuts out near the end.
This_Time_Of_Night is next.
lyric: "Without you, they'll never fucking show."
BS: "Why, thank you very much."
Another cut.
Shellshock
BS: "You should see the Japanese...does anyone have fucking balls(?) Thank you very much."
The last verse features some choice improvisations.
A guitar florish near the end.
Everythings_Gone_Green follows.
At this point the recording cuts out, so we don't know what was played afterwards.
Pre-gig intro gig music is some old skool rap.
BS: "Good evening, robots! When the gig's done(?), let's have sex."
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "It's a new song, it's called Touched By The Hand Of God."
Hard to make out some of the between song commentary.
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much. We have to do(?) from the end of it, that one. I hope everybody thought it was all right. 'He was a dick, anyway'."
Paradise follows.
lyric: "When I looked into your PISSED blue eyes..."
Outro featuring just Hooky bass, very nice!
Angel_Dust is next.
Weirdo
BS: "This is, er, Weirdo."
lyric: "Just like a suitcase without a key."
As_It_Is_When_It_Was
BS: "Thank you, thank you."
Sooner_Than_You_Think and State_Of_The_Nation follow.
BS: "Thanks a lot."
PH: "You have to speak up shitface, can't hear you. Something lost in the translation then."
Confusion is next.
Lots of clapping along to Age_Of_Consent.
Split in tape at this point between the preceeding track and Sunrise, which also has quite a bit of clapping from the audience along with it.
Blue_Monday
BS: "Thank you very much. This next song...this next song's is very [can't make out rest]..."direct?" ...Thank you. Arigato."
At 4:55 and 4:58, somebody hits what sounds like a cymbal really loudly.
Strange syndrum ending.
End of main set. Between this and the encore, one can hear the Blues Brothers 'Rawhide', which the fans clap along to. This is then followed by 'Funeral For A Viking'
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "Thank you all. Vocals up, Ed." [frogs, moans] "Thank you can find it change(?)...This is The Perfect Kiss, thank you very much. Thank you.. this is a song [can't make out]..."
Between 1:32 and 1:38 Bernard says a few things. "Thank you very much, [some words I can't make out] ...this section."
Synth goes awry at 2:00, and the vocals start out too low in the mix.
Do_The_Ostrich finishes out the set. Lots of ad-libbed potty words for your listening pleasure.
After-gig music is Fine Young Cannibals's Buzzcocks cover, through which there's a brief announcement in Japanese.
My records have this as fourth generation. It's really hissy. Some of Bernard's quotes make absolutely no sense. I'm betting he's taking the piss out of the Japanese audience, most of whom understand little or no English.
Shellshock
BS: "...think we made it inside. This is Shellshock"
"No matter how we try and try/
"In a plane we always fly"
There's some other improvisations, too.
PH: "Thank you."
Love_Vigilantes
PH: "Bernard's stripped down for action." (Bernard laughs)
They exchange words, which I can't make out.
Way_Of_Life
(at end)
PH: "My sound's fucked."
Lets_Go
After Let's Go, there's about 10 seconds of untitled guitar work before Lonesome_Tonight kicks in, staring with a Hooky count-in.
Lonesome_Night follows. Right before is a bit of what sounds like 'Sweet Jane' by VU.
This_Time_Of_Night
BS: "Thank you very much." As he says this, the drum pattern starts up again.
Somebody says "Hey Hooky! Dreams Never End!" (too bad Hooky's reply was unmiked and thus impossible to pick up)
Subculture
PH: "Yo."
BS: "Thank you very much. What to do when you got itchy pubic hairs?"
(person nearby in the audience repeats the question, a la a comedy routine, and gets put down in response)
BS: "Pubic ha...is it your wedding by the way? Best man speech is afterwards."
Ceremony
BS: "Okay I appreciate very nice I'm gonna be any shit [jones] tonight also try any FUCKING drug I don't have to smoke..."
Okay, I appreciate very [?{ some of the musicianship shown tonight. Cuz I cannot get any FUCKING drum, cuz that's why"
PH: "Right..."
BS: (coughs)
PH: "So, it's The stage ...memory..." [can't quite make this out]
BS: (laughs)
Face_Up
Bernard sings slightly differnt lyrics, which mention a "plane on the ground". Wonder if they had any flight trouble?
lyric: "When we get old we lose our place / children coming in your face..."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
(little girls voice blurts out 'Bernard', then guy screams, and the girl's voice repeats 'Bernie')
BS: Fuck. (laughs) I'll clear you all the way through the set. I always knew it was you...what?"
Song ends...Bernard says "Thank you very much. Good night."
Audience claps for encore, which they get.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much."
PH: "You have just been waiting for us to come back."
BS: "This is called...it's a new song...it's called 'I've Had A Wank Off A Girl With A Spotty Back'".
Song finishes up...
BS: "And the girl who gave me the wank is also playing the drum machine over there."
Atmosphere
NO airs the Joy Division song...only date during that part of the tour they played that song. Bernard laughs after finishing the verses.
I also posted the following to the Ceremony list, in response to "N21":
> > From: "N21"
Setlist (http://www.neworderonline.com/Live/Concert.aspx?ConcertID=594)
Source is from a CD mailed to me by GaoBest, as he has a thing for the
'87 Australian tour.
To quote GaoBest: "All first gen from D6 & ECM929LT masters, from master
cassette>cassette (XL2s) to DAT>CDR>itunes. I got them in 1994/1995 on
Maxell XL2s brand tapes. They sound really fucking good." He's not
kidding, this is generally a nice-sounding concert.
The pre-gig music for this one is pretty strange. Sounds very Viking and
gallopy. I've been since informed by Deron Pease that:
"The intro music to 2-4-87, also pre-encore to 2-6-87, and to 2-7-87
is "(Theme From) Rawhide" - and it sounds like its the straight-up
version by The Blues Brothers."
About a minute or so through this, New Order come on and take the stage.
BS: "Hello, we're New Order. If the bouncers there, we can probably
get a few more in here." I presume he's talking about more fans, not
more bouncers.
Always liked Paradise as a good first song. Taper adjusts volume
upwards once New Order start playing.
Dirty lyric alert. "When I looked in your pubic hair, I saw you
everywhere". It even rhymes, heh. You can hear some punter make his
fustration known regarding what Barney's on about.
BS: "Thank you very much....C'mon get this mike stand, Eddy. Get
this mike stand." A couple of chords strummed.
NO then play Shellshock. A bit of a gap, you can here somebody
call out 'Ceremony!', which they play. The band next perform
Your_Silent_Face can hear Bernard flub a line (the one before
"a path we cannot take") beneath all the bass feedback. And then,
Leave_Me_Alone, with a beautifully sloppy guitar intro. I adore
the phrasing on "you get these words wrong..." in their performances
during this era. A couple electric guitar chord strums...and then
another electronic one, this time, Angel_Dust. Then we hear 'Let's
Go-esque' riffing...into yet another disco tune, Subculture. Followed
by a plaintively passionate vocal for The_Village, including this
classic:
"We're in the money now
Our love is like the powers
The song concludes in some VU-style riffing, which goes on for about
15-20 seconds. I'd like some help in pinning this down.
Weirdo: Another one with a lock without a fucking key, repeated for good
measure. This song is underrated, at least by my account.
Here the first side ends.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle starts up with bass feedback. About 15 and 30
seconds into the song, there's what sound like dropouts. GaoBest says
that's a phasing problem with his tape, not the master.
The outro is also strummed through, and true to form, another dance song,
Confusion, follows. The sound is a bit dodgy through this one.
And just like that New Order decide they are done.
BS: "Thank you, good night."
The "Viking theme" or whatever its called then can be heard over the PA.
It continues for a while (well over five minutes) before the band get back
on.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much, this is a new song, erm, we've never played before,
so you have to bear with us. (bass notes) It's called Touched By The Hand
Of God." And then...probably in response to the rabid songcallers...
Bernard starts to mock them:
BS: "We can't play any Joy Division songs cuz the singer's dead!"
(plenty of time to do that later, it turns out...
As one might expect, this sounds like the soundtrack (original) release,
but is surprisingly well-formed considering that this is only the fourth
time New Order had performed this. Of course, that's not what Barney
said, but hey, we'll let it slide...
New Order segue right into Sister_Ray. This version sounds slightly
more coherent than the scratch vocals that often get laid down.
Otherwise, it's the strumpet of cachophony and chaos we all know and
enjoy, the drums slow down near the end, even!
The PA then blares Echo's Rescue, loud enough to be mistaken for
New Order suddenly learning a new song...and then the tape cuts out.
Source is from a CD mailed to me by GaoBest, as he has a thing for the
'87 Australian tour.
There was some confusion about the venue names for the 870206 and 870207
gigs:
> Mike advertised as:
> Waterrat's page is slightly different:
> 870206 - Roxy - Brisbane, Australia
GaoBest replied:
"That's right - it is the Roxy. But Feb 7 '87 is the correct date for
Roxy (Brisbane).
Surfer's Paradise and Gold Coast seem to interchange on venue name.
It's hard to explain or understand why. But most old-school NO
tapers/traders have gone by Surfer's Paradise as the CITY name.
From what the taper told me, it's basically a resort type of city."
To also quote GaoBest: "All first gen from D6 & ECM929LT masters, from master
cassette>cassette (XL2s) to DAT>CDR>itunes. I got them in 1994/1995 on
Maxell XL2s brand tapes. They sound really fucking good."
Setlist:
Blue Monday, Love Vigilantes, Let's Go, This Time Of Night,
Every Little Counts, Way Of Life, Subculture, Perfect Kiss, Sunrise,
Face Up, Temptation (encore) Do The Ostrich
Blue_Monday
BS: "Hallo [mumbled], we're New Order, and this is Blue Monday...1-2-3-4."
The sequencers inexplicably fire up again after the song closes up,
so we get the first few seconds again.
BS: "Thanks you very much, thank you very much, you're great."
Love_Vigilantes
Guitars are strummed and melodicas are blown in preperation.
BS: "This is, eh..."
PH: "...you got while the QX1 loads..." (the first two words I'm not
100% sure about)
BS: "Thank you very much."
Lets_Go
The instrumental version.
PH: "...who is this? I dunno, who is he?", followed by a pause, and
"play with us for a hundred", it sound like. There's a bit of random
guitar noodling before the group get into "This Time Of Night", a pretty
good rendition.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Every_Little_Counts and Way_Of_Life follow.
PH: "You don't have to like the surfers next to her, ok?...any more?"
Percussion for next song accidentally triggers.
PH: "You gotta remember, there we had a lot of trouble remembering
this one...fucking A."
BS: "We're getting our percussion."
Guitar riff...
PH: "This is Bernard on guitar. Whoa!"
Subculture
Lovely riffing. Flat vocals. :)
BS: "Thanks very much, Steve. Just pressed for speed here. Ehh,
thank you."
The_Perfect_Kiss
Unfortunately, this is tracksplit between sides A and B, so we probably
lose a few seconds.
Sunrise, Face_Up, and Temptation follow.
The "(Theme From) Rawhide" that preceded the 870204 gig can be heard in
full (pretty much)..."Rolling, rolling, rolling...". The next tune's a
pretty slow one..."Oklahoma". The Order are taking their sweet time
coming back on, as it's been six plus minutes...but they eventually
appear back on to perform...Do_The_Ostrich!
To hear the original version, (Lou Reed and the Primitives) check out:
http://www.spearedpeanut.com/prevutracks/ostrich.ram
The lyrics (for the original):
http://www.neworderonline.com/song.asp?song_id=78
New Order's version has no vocal resemblence to that, by the way, save
for the chorus.
Great solo in this. The drumbeats also speed up near the end, a la
Sister Ray.
You told me I was no good for you
You said,
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
(slow down for this one)
You told me that I was a cough(?)
I told you that I could...
Do the ostrich!
You told me that I was no good
(start getting up)
You told me that I was no good
You said,
Do the ostrich, baby!
Outro: BAD 'Medicine Show' (faded out after a few seconds)
Source is from a CD mailed to me by GaoBest, as he has a thing for the
'87 Australian tour. Originally from a tape marked '5-9-87 David Patterson'
To quote GaoBest: "All first gen from D6 & ECM929LT masters, from master
cassette>cassette (XL2s) to DAT>CDR>itunes. I got them in 1994/1995 on
Maxell XL2s brand tapes. They sound really fucking good."
This is another one that has its levels a bit high, so there's some
clipping. Incomplete, as the taper started midway during "Shellshock".
Here's GaoBest's capsule review:
"Finally giving a close listen to this gig - what a setlist - it includes
586, Thieves Like Us, Dreams Never End... wowza. Not to mention the Sister
Ray encore (only song of the encore) - and a brilliant BLT with Barney
almost sounding angry and aggressive (because it sounds like the sound
engineer lowered his mic levels by accident during the verse before the
second chorus!)... then seguing to Weirdo.
I'm so impressed. I've copied it (this gig) for quite a few of you on
this list, so I hope you hear and enjoy this little tidbit :-)"
He is right, this is an amazing performance of a great selection from
their canon. I mean, how many other concerts open up with Shellshock?
Setlist:
Shellshock. 5-8-6, Dreams Never End, Age Of Consent, Your Silent Face,
Angel Dust, Thieves Like Us, Bizarre Love Triangle, Weirdo, Face Up,
Ceremony (encore) Sister Ray
Shellshock commences during mid-verse, apparently the taper got there
late.
BS: "I've been good and I've been bad, but a decent mikestand I've
never had...". This gets repeated again in a later verse, with "No
matter how I try and try, I can't get this mikestand high".
It sounds like they're singing backup vocals to taped vocals
near the end. Odd.
The band then perform a blistering version of _586_, with appropriate
whoops and very impassioned vocals. A fairly long pause between this
song and the next one, the taper stops the tape (makes the
characteristic sound).
Dreams_Never_End
Starts out with monstrous bass notes, and keeps up in intensity.
At the end of the first verse, Hooky messes up, and accidentally
(partially) substitues the first line of the second verse.
PH: "..There no...nothing...all right, they cannot believe this sight."
One of the best moments in New Order is when Hooky yells "Hello,
farewell to your...SOOOOUUULLL!!!", which you get a taste of here.
Age_Of_Consent
Another spine-tingling moment in New Order is hearing the guitar
feedback when Sumner plays his solo. Not heard here, though, but
still a satisfying version.
Your_Silent_Face
Another message for the sound mixer.
BS: "You've caught me at a bad time, so why you turn the drum machine
down?". (Don't think it ever got turned down) The song ends in a
series of guitar riffs. You can barely hear someone (don't know
who) say something like "Don't be moderate."
NO then segue into Angel_Dust, and then into Thieves_Like_Us.
I guess the sound mixer forgot to turn Barney's mic up, so he's hard to
hear until the chorus.
PH: "Uh, I only drink [swamp?] mate".
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
As GaoBest reported, they turn the mics down on Barney right after the
words "I feel...", and then he screams "There's no sense in telling me",
and as the volume pans up again, declaims "the wisdom of you fuckers won't
set you free." The mic cuts on him again while he sings the chorus, but
he doesn't try to fight it. New Order don't quite seque into Weirdo,
there's definitely a slight pause between the two songs."
Weirdo
BS: "Just like a lock without a big, fat key." Then he gets with the
program and substitues "fucking" in the second chorus, and starts
repeating the F-word over and over in the third. The best part is
when he starts imploring everyone to speed up: "just like a...faster,
faster, faster, faster!"
Side A/B change...
Face_Up
BS: "[mumble] you [got?] that fucking amp, I'll blow you all up..."
This song often gets short shrift in the canon, but as you can hear,
it's not much off the level of all their other classics. Speaking of
which, New Order then close out with Ceremony.
We're then treated to the same pre-encore tracks as on 06 FEB 1987,
except that the punters are kept waiting a whole ten minutes. Some
chanting by audience members can be heard while the Viking theme or
whatever its called drones on, and somebody can be heard to yell out
really loudly for New Order. The third song is pretty dire, "Something's
gotten into my..." but it's turned down as the Order step back on stage
and Hooky attacks his bass for the start of Sister_Ray.
The lyrics are pretty frentic but aren't too much different than what
I've heard in other versions, except I heard "I could fuck your body"
or something like that. However, this is killer musically, probably
second to the '88 Brazil version. And a bit more from the interstital
until the taper shuts down.
Tape this is on is labelled a "Soundcheck", but it appears to
have been the gig instead. I'm thinking the tapes got switched,
one day I'll locate the "gig" case and see if it has the
soundcheck in it.
GaoBest has the soundcheck (what doesn't he have, anyway?) :-)
> From: GaoBest
He later added:
> New Order played at Byron Bay on Feb 9. But this show was taped by a
> Brit (UKBT - same who taped 7-20-83 Fac 51, and 7-18-01
> Liverpool, and a zillion inbetween) who was in Australia on visa.
> Although I have this on CDR, it isn't "itunes-ready" so it's going t
> o take awhile before I put it out there - but the Byron Bay show is
> really phenomenal. It's possibly the best show of that tour, aside
> from the Perth gigs. I've always fantasized that New Order played
> their best when they were playing in the weirdest corners of the world
> (Dundee, Scotland is another example). You can't get much more obscure
> than Perth (Super-South-West of Australia) and Byron Bay...
The sound, as documented in the 'liner notes'...cuts in and out a lot.
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "Thanks a lot, we're New Order."
Sound is pretty dodgy through this one.
For instance, the cowbell is mixed really high when it first makes
its appearance.
BS: "one two...vocals are hopeless..."
Paradise sounds particularly shambolic here. Shambolic, and sublime.
A few small dropouts between these tracks that are on my better
(presumably later) copy than on the one from GaoBest.
Way_Of_Life
Bernard starts yelling very loud into the mic, as they're still having
monitor problems. Very distinct bass solo during the bridge, and
Bernard mutters something before laying down his solo.
Ceremony opens up to the guitar lines echoing back in feedback.
Female punter says "yay" at its arrival.
It has the refrain guitar line that appears in that song at around
that time.
Every_Little_Counts
Incorporating his gripes about vocals in the lyrics:
Every second counts/
The vocals sound so cool(?)/
...
Do do do di dododoco
DOH DOH (much louder) :-)
All_Day_Long
They segue right into this underappreciated classic.
Still issues with the vocals....Bernard is even more out of
tune than he typically is wont to be.
BS: "He used to scream and SHOUT..."
Subculture
I always try/
They make some apparently self-disparaging statements after Subculture
finishes up.
BS: "How was that? Everybody wants to know if we're gonna get the fuck
out of here?"
PH: "This isn't doing better...it makes the bulge(?) my eyes(?)."
(can't quote make out what Hooky's saying...he's probably talking to
a roadie or something)
Somebody cry out for Everything's Gone Green.
Shellshock
"What was that, pick Shellshock? My God, let's play Shellshock, everybody!
Fuck off, they say."
Oddly enough, this is a very good version, with a nice Hooky solo,
except the sound cuts out halfway, I presume the levels got accidentally
adjusted.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
During the break (before the chorus)
BS: "We're not fucking playing anything, Andy!"
A couple of tom-toms bang, then Age Of Consent kicks in.
And then Temptation...slightly tinged with feedback, but not bad,
not bad.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Still sounding pretty new...has a arpeggiator filter effect running
through part of the first verse.
At the end of the second verse, Barney says "Turn the drums up, Oz".
And then he does some funny swish sound...I was touched
Some man's voice talking about natural colors and texturs plays over
the pre-encore intermission, and then some other stuff...before they
get back into the swing of things with...Blue_Monday.
Feedback squalls as Barney's vocals come in. There's some interesting
guitar interplay in this version, too.
Then the Viking song or whatever it is comes on, and the crowd starts
clapping, etc....there's a couple of edits to (of course) to save on
tape...and as some country song comes on, Hooky's bass comes storming
in, drowning the backing music.
PH: "Ah, I was enjoying that!" Somebody inexplicably calls out for
Elegia.
Weirdo
A pretty fast-tempoed version. Barney starts shouting, -screaming- the
vocals. "So I got this canopy..." Odd how Monaco's Under The Stars so
heavily borrows from this song?
"Just like a lock with a fucking key!" makes its appearance in the
vocals.
"THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOOD NIGHT!" Hooky noodles on bass as the
concert draws to an end, playing a bit of Do The Ostrich, it sounds
like.
Soundcheck
Instrumental version of State_Of_The_Nation followed by
somebody calling out something for Face Up (not played here), and
some drum soundchecking. This is follwod by an instrumental
verison of Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God, and then
Elegia, followed by Subculture (instrumental).
Hooky then does some one-two'ing, and then engages in some random
conversation.
PH: "Ooh, you are bitter when you're staring deportation in the
face." (he may have been talking to the taper)
and
PH: "Get yourself a shock absorber, right..."
If you listen carefully, you can hear the bassline to _24__Hours
too.
PH: "I just like to say 'I told you so' before you start...with
the foldback on...with the ears on the desk...
Starts off with Hooky noodling, basslines to Lonesome_Tonight
and Age_Of_Consent.
You can hear somebody remark that their seating is upstairs in the
venue.
Then a full instrumental version of Sooner_Than_You_Think,
with Hooky improvising the bassline towards the end.
Bits of Sister_Ray (bass) and Lets_Go (guitar).
A couple of false starts for All_Day__Long, and then a complete
vocal take.
About third/fourth generation, audience tape.
Some unidentified song finishes up as NO take the stage...
Intro to Paradise:
BS: "Thank you very much. (Told you to) turn that light off last time,
you bleeding K."
Shellshock
"No matter how I try and try/
This_Time_Of_Night
"Without you/My big fat sow"
After Sunrise:
"Don't want any fucking live sounding, y'all" (?)
Blue_Monday
Bernard plays his guitar through the beginning of the song,
a la other performances of this song at around this time.
Ceremony
Unusual spoken word interlude in the middle of the song.
The effect is chilling.
"Nobody knows...yes, forever. Forever, where beauty grows."
"Oh yes, forever. Oh, nobody knows, no one."
Also, different ending than normal.
(followed by terrible background music...'Delilah'...then some
hokey C&W song...NO come back on, tape joins BS in progress
(the first part of his speech is cut off):
BS: "...smacked up on drugs...Mark it down(?)...Mark it down(?)
As_It_Was_When_It_Was features this amusing couplet:
('blondes' could be 'blokes' or 'bloods' in Bernard's brogue)
"But I always thought
BS: "Thank you very much, indeed."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle starts.
"More sequencers, Ed."
Snatch of "What's New Pussycat" can be heard before recording ends.
Looks like the setlist on the Gigography is missing a few tunes:
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:22:04 EDT
hey kids i know there's been some discussion comparing new order concert
setlists, and here's probably the best example of how new order could do
two gigs night after night and do almost completely different stuff so that
if you went to both shows, you'd have killer variety, which just doesn't
happen anymore. That said, I don't have the 2-11-87 or 2-14-87 (both
Sydney, but that Hotel and Selina's venues instead) setlist handy to
further compare, even though I have the tapes somewhere. Who knows,
maybe 2-11 and 2-14 are reverse of 2-12 and 2-13.
both gigs the enmore theatre, sydney; taped by at least two different
tapers [ed note: one was UKBT who also did Byron Bay and the 13 FEB 87
gig among many others, the other was a native Aussie]
2-12-87
(*) not listed in the summary listing, at least as of this writing
3rd gen soundboard tape(?)
The version I have of 2/12 is definitely an audience tape.
nogig update alert:
State_Of_The_Nation
BS: "Thank you very much. This is State of the Nation."
Way_Of_Life
BS: "Thank you very much. Apparently that was for who don't get out of
[ears]? anymore."
Weirdo
BS: "Thank you very much. This is Weirdo."
"Just like a lock without a FUCKING key." (in every occurance in the song)
Subculture
BS: "Thank you very much."
Hooky plays the riff to "My Girl" at the end.
PH: "Ready?"
Face_Up
BS: (responding to Hooky) "Aye, [B'jean]"
Between verses, it sounds like he says, "In the earhole, yet".
The chorus becomes, "Oh how I cannot bear these reggae beats."
Temptation
A bit of buzzing/static at start. (CH tape copy)
Hooky mutters something, perhaps directed to the sound guy.
(weird pre-encore music, edited)
The_Perfect_Kiss
Some buzzing/static at start, and right after Bernard sings
"The perfect kiss is the kiss of death", as well as a few seconds
before the frogs sound, as well as through Hooky's final solo.
(CH tape only, so this is not a problem with the master, just
my copy)
pre-encore music starts with "Rawhide"...the taper stops
a few times through the few songs that are played before
NO come back on.
Love_Vigilantes
BS: "Doing an encore, and it...there are some in the last...Selena's
in Coogee Bay tonight if want(ed) to come...somebody asked for Love
Vigilantes so, we're gonna play it."
Bernard yells out what sound like instructions to the sound engineer.
lyric: "I want to see my family...my BIG DICK hanging past my knee..."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much. If you all chuck $20 on the stage, we'll play
another one."
Minor tape garble (CH version) at the "the way we used to be" line.
(after song finishes)
BS: "Thank you very much. Good night, God Bless, and drive carefully
on your way home. If you all throw $20 on the stage, we'll come back on,
or even $10."
(I guess people ran out of cash, cuz this is the last song they played,
at least on my tape)
Looks like the setlist on the Gigography is missing a few tunes:
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:22:04 EDT
hey kids i know there's been some discussion comparing new order concert
setlists, and here's probably the best example of how new order could do
two gigs night after night and do almost completely different stuff so that
if you went to both shows, you'd have killer variety, which just doesn't
happen anymore. That said, I don't have the 2-11-87 or 2-14-87 (both
Sydney, but that Hotel and Selina's venues instead) setlist handy to
further compare, even though I have the tapes somewhere. Who knows,
maybe 2-11 and 2-14 are reverse of 2-12 and 2-13.
[ed note: one was UKBT from the UK who also did Byron Bay and the
12 FEB 87 gig among many others, the other was a native Aussie]
both gigs the enmore theatre, sydney; taped by at least two different
tapers
2-13-87
Only blt and temptation were played both nights; otherwise all other
songs in the sets were unique per night.
(see http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs87.html#NO-870212)
hope this is interesting to someone, but oh well.
x
(*) not listed in the summary listing, at least as of this writing
(**) different track variation
From James Thomas:
The ostrich was introduced as "Come on you bastard after this little
cunt here in front of me".
The CH version doesn't include the first track, which is
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of__God.
Ceremony
Hooky's bass sound is a bit odd here, and throughout.
Dreams_Never_End follows.
Ends with Hooky doing a slow coda.
Confusion
BS: "Thank you, Donas(?)....this is, eh...erm, Confusion."
(at end)
Every_Little_Counts
BS: "Your Silent Night..."
Bernard starts sing-speaking "Take a walk on the wild side"...
'Sputnick' ending.
BS: "Turn the lights up Andy! Please."
As_It_Is_When_It_Was
_586_
Hooky calls out, "Ready?"
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "I was trying to think of somebody's that shoutin' out,
aren't ya? Where? How about, 'Fuck off'?
Cut between BLT and Sunrise on CH tape.
lyric: "Giving the gift, you know what the fuck it's gonna be..."
Another cut between songs on CH tape.
Age_Of_Consent
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much. I'm sure all will work out all right...
in the end."
Blue_Monday
BS: "Shut your gob fuckface, shut your gob fuckface. [repeats on
CH, but not on the UKBT]. Go and tell him I want to hear you talk
cuz you're near me dick."
Venue music plays briefly. NO come back on for an encore.
Do_The_Ostrich
BS: "Thank you very much. We're going to write a song here on stage.
It's called, "Blow Me, You Bastard....after this little cunt in front
of me."
This differs slightly from what was reported.
BS: "Actually, the step I feel will be "Temptation"."
At this point the jam segues into Sister_Ray. This is unique to
this performance, I don't think they ever did this any other time.
Featuring rhymes that were made up on the spot.
Temptation
Has a fairly aggressive guitar attack lead to bridge this from the
previous song.
BS: "I thank you profusely."
Many thanks to GaoBest for supplying a copy of this performance,
which the taper eventually also made available on EZT.
Lots of audience noise, not so much annoying random chatter as just
hearing their presense, which is a good thing. Quality is excellent.
The band sound like they're really pumped full of drugs, as the vocals
are really, really good.
TJ lists:
Songs played were:
Elegia
(encore)
Plenty of pre-gig warmup music as members of the audience whistle and
then cheer as New Order step onto the stage.
Elegia
BS: "Thank you very much. What are we doing next?"
The groop play Elegia and then pickup the NRG with BLT.
Hooky mutters something (off-mic, so it's almost inaudible)
after the first verse. Ends in whistles and cheers.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much. This is a new song, it's called 'Touched By
The Hand Of God'
First chorus has a couple bum notes by the Hookster, but otherwise
a neat version.
BS: "Thank you very much. Hi, Andy, need a bit of light...to play this
tricky guitar."
New Order than play Angel_Dust, and then Your_Silent_Face.
Lots of guitar thrash in this one, also like this particular "you don't
you Piss Off".
BS: (slurring really badly) "Thanks a lot."
And then, Love_Vigilantes. Another outstanding performance.
BS: "Thanks a million."
And then NO do one that always seem to get a bit shortchanged, Shellshock.
A "victim of the state I'm in" instead of a "victim of your evil sin".
They keyboard accompaniment is very high in the mix (as it was on Angel
Dust), the band rock out a bit during the bridge, and there's some guitar
noodling at the end.
A long pause before they commence with Weirdo, "just like a lock without
a fucking key", and Broken Promise "if i'm right and you are sin for sale
than for god's sake i was wrong!". No shave and a haircut, though.
Side One ends
Side Two begins with Everythings_Gone_Green, a song which they
stopped playing later that year. Very neat effect where Barney's
"Show me" echo-blends into the sequencing.
BS: "Thank you very much. I'd try to think of something witty to
say, but I'm not very witty, unfortunately."
For anybody who's ever listened to an unabridged New Order performance,
they'd appreciate the wit behind this statement.
Face_Up
As throughout, Barney seems to be singing really well. At the end,
somebody yells for Blue Monday, he's not going to get his wish.
Then the band rip into Age_Of_Consent.
BS: "Thank you, good night!"
Pre-gig music is (Theme From) Rawhide by The Blues Bros. Continues
for a few minutes before the tape edit. Then an opera-y one and
a country one, by which time NO come back on stage for the encore.
Barney says something that I can't make out right when the group
get into Subculture. There's a weird cold-frost synth sound before
the first verse.
lyric: "You realize that you can't shaft with nobody else."
BS: "Thank you, people of Sydney, thank you. I say, don't believe
what you hear, we are a bunch of 'orrible bastards."
Then The_Perfect_Kiss to close things out.
BS: "Thanks a lot". Song ends on the same sample that's present in
Stockholm Monsters' "Kan Kill". Well, it really ends on some drawn
out synth note. I guess at this point the lights go up and you can
hear some more silly backing music, which I can't ID.
All in all, a very impressive performance.
Many thanks to GaoBest for supplying a copy of this performance.
Sounds a couple of generations away from the master...
We're treated to the Funeral For A Viking intro for a few
minutes before the band step on stage. A few people start
to chant.
Lets_Go
GaoBest says that the unknown instrumental listed as the first
track is actually "Let's Go" (it was listed as unknown at one
time on Waterrat's site, but has since been amended). What's
neat is that the 'Prepare a funeral for a viking' vocal can
be heard right when the band start playing Let's Go, so it
sounds like a sample!
Paradise
BS: "Thanks very much. There was no singing in that song,
to be sure, there is in this one.
A bit of guitar and hooky saying something I can't quite make
out before NO play Way Of Life.
Hooky stars out Way_Of_Life with a 1-2-3-4 intro.
Ceremony
BS: "Thank you very much...we're going to play an old songs now, called
Ceremony. Because, very few people are calling for it in the audience in
the front."
BS: "Thank you, Arthur."
And then New Order play one of my all time favorites, All_Day_Long,
which features an opening drum pattern different than the recorded
version. And then, This_Time_Of_Night aka Pumped Full Of Drugs,
after that State_Of_The_Nation.
BS: "I don't kiss when the bass sequencer's around" :-)
After that, NO do the riff/melody which typically intros Subculture.
Afterwards, Bernard comments about the excessive boominess of the sound.
BS: "Thank you very much. Woo! Yeah, they're ripping off our vocals,
lads. Woo! Sounds Like Big Ben Woo! Eh..."
Then comes Bizarre_Love_Triangle, after which the taper hits stop.
Sunrise follows, and then Temptation. I'm a bit too lazy to closely
comment, but there are some interesting things going on, including
the "last fucking time" variant in Temptation.
PH: "Thank you very much, good night."
BS: "Thank you very much!"
The pre-encore interstital's not one I've heard before. Would be
good to get an ID. It's sung in French (female breathy vocals).
And then there's another one, which I'm not listening closely
too...except at a couple points you can hear beeping. The third
song is "Rhymin' and Stealin'" by the Beastie Boys, which is turned
down as NO take the stage again, and play Every Little Counts.
Afterwards there's some riffing that sounds like Sister Ray.
Barney says "[unintelligible]...up there", and play Broken_Promise
instead. The phrasing on "If I'm right and you are simply dead,
FOR...GOD'S...SAKE I...WAS...WRONG, woo!" and elsewhere is a
highlight.
The tape that I used for the original writeup was listed as fourth
generation. Indeed it's very hissy and leaden...However, since that
time, I have procured two other copies of this one (from GaoBest and
from the New Order Anthologies compiled by Lars Nellemann) and they
not only have much better SQ, but both sound different than the copy
I originally did the writeup for. Yes, no less than 3 different people
taped this gig. And I've also gotten a better copy of this fourth
generation source, one that is about third generation, but is copied
better, though it has bad channel dropouts though much of it, probably
due to a bad tape along the line.
The original tape's cover has '84-85 era picture of the band...Gilbert
and Sumner are looking skyward, and Hooky, wearing one of his wacky
T-shirts ("The Land The..." "You Go To Heaven..." anybody know the
full message?), is facing right, snarling. Morris is also facing right.
A couple seconds of intro music can be heard before the band take
the stage. Overall, the Order don't talk much during this performance.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Love_Vigilantes
There a snippet of guitar strum and melodica before New Order perform
this tune.
BS: "Thank you very much."
The Anthology version (taped by AR) has somebody yelling out
"Fucking brilliant", a spot-on observiation if I've ever heard one.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
You can hear some scratching about 4 minutes in as the taper gets
interrupted by a woman, presumably someone he knows. (This is
on the archive tape copy)
Taper: "Hi..."
Woman: "Hi......have you...have you got free tickets to go up the
steps."
Taper: "I'm taping at the moment...hang on then...Okay, we're gonna..."
Woman: "Have you got free tickets to go upstairs?"
Taper: (stammers) "Yeah. That's where I'm going..."
(Anthology version) More scuffling is heard as BLT ends, and a punter can
be heard on one of the tapes crying out "Ceremony, you bastards!...Ceremony...
LISTEN TO ME! Subculture!"
Dreams_Never_End (yes, they are still playing this one in 1987)
is next up.
The taper goes to find someone to hold his hear while he helps his lady friend.
Man: "Yeah."
Taper: "How are you?
Man: [unintelligable]
Woman: "That's right" (giggles)
Man: "...come out here...How much...will we spend...brings you up
here..."
Man: "Anyway...How are you?"
Taper: "Ok"
Voice: "Nah, I'm going back."
Man: "Is it on?
Taper: "Wha?"
Man: "Is it on?"
Taper: "Yeah"
Hooky puts great effort in leaving the world to your SOOOUL!
The GaoBest source has a hard break between DNE and AD, not present
on the other two. Oh the Anthologies version, the scraming punter who
previously cried out for Ceremony now cries "Temptation!".
Angel_Dust is played, and it neatly segues into Lonesome_Tonight.
This sounds different:
BS: "I'm there when you go home/I'm not going in alone"(?)
and:
Barney Says:
"Do you believe in lies?
Bernard plays a two note riff for 10-15 seconds to start out
Thieves_Like_Us, in an abbreviated 4 minute version. The GaoBest
version has a chick asking somone, "You see them much?". A couple of
pops can be be heard in the intro (GaoBest).
Barney Says:
"Watch your life
BS: "Thank you very much." There's a couple more clicks in the GaoBest
version in between this and the next song. Another cry for "Temptation"
on the Anthologies version.
Paradise
A very popular choice down under. The vocals are exceptional, with a
highlight being the final "I nee...eed you".
Ceremony
Finally, let's shut all the punters up! On the GaoBest copy, there's
some scuffling a few seconds in, sounds like that was introduced
in the recording.
The tape archive copy has a drop out in the tape that I have right
before Bernard starts singing, which is not present in the others.
BS: "Forever...letting me know...shhh...."
Barney Says:
BS: "Thank you. How about changing lights a bit Andy, I'm going blind in
one eye, eh..."
(on GaoBest tape)
man: "C'mon stand back here"
lady: "Maybe I'll stand by...[can't make out]"
PH: "Go give it a rest."
_586_
On the GaoBest copy, about midway through the volume shoots up and with
it, the intensity of the performance. Wow.
There's a edit between _586_ and Everythings_Gone_Green on the
archive tape copy as well as the Anthologies version.
I love the repeated "show ME" line in that tune, and the echo effects.
An amazing performance!
On the original tape copy, the first couple of bars of The_Perfect_Kiss
get left off. This version is about nine and a half minutes long.
There's another edit, as the Viking theme music segues into what
sounds like a Tom Jones histronic soundalike singing "Delilah",
which is trimmed out as the Order take the stage to do their encore.
The GaoBest copy has some scuffling at around the 6:00 mark, probably
present on the source.
The Viking Funeral theme plays during the intermission before the
encores. You can also hear lots of stomping, chanting, and clapping,
of course. At one point the volume leves spike up...then we get
to hear the oh so lovely Delilah song, which is cut of as New Order
get back on stage.
(archive tape) Even through the tape hiss this sounds magnificient. New Order
close out with Temptation.
(GaoBest) Lets_Go starts with a fade-in. ends with a fade-out. Temptation
also starts with a fade-in. There's another "scuff" about 5:45 in.
Somebody yells some nonsense and there's more stomping through fade-out.
(anth. MP3) no fade-outs, but cold stop right at the end of Temptation.
It also includes less of the pre-encore break than the other two
versions. Lady says "keep going to the end" at the end of Let's Go.
Thanks to GaoBest for providing me a copy of this performance.
Pre-gig warmup music is the Funeral for a Viking bit.
This gig is unusual in that at various points it sounds like New Order
have brought a DJ with them. Here's some correspondence between
me and GaoBest on this point:
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 03:01:28AM -0400, GaoBest wrote:
>> I know others have heard this. So is this scratching or what? I'm so
>> fucking confused. did New Order have an onstage DJ for this show? I
>> don't "hear" any scratching for any other Feb 1987 Australia tour concerts.
>
Andrew J. Lillie has a better explanation.
> For what its worth, this "scratch" is actually just the sound of a pick
> being scraped edge-wise along a string. From the sounds of the mp3, its
> most likely a bass. So, I imagine this big mystery boils down to nothing
> more than Hooky being bored that night and screwing around making
> "scratching" sounds with his bass.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Hello everyone, we're New Order. Incorporated."
The song is played. Nothing earthshattering.
BS: "Thank you very much" (with loads of echo). "That's a new song,
it's called 'Touched By The Hand Of God'".
The group then plays Blue_Monday.
BS: "Thank you very much".
The first "scratch" can be heard between BM and The Village, it kind
of sounds like 'Are You Experienced' by Hendrix.
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New_Order-19870218-BM-TVscratch.mp3
Between The_Village (a great rendition!) and Shellshock, there's an
interesting bit of riffing that's pretty nice. Here it is:
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New_Order-19870218-TVriff.mp3
An off-mic Hooky "Go!" starts things off here.
The drumming on Leave_Me_Alone is very distinctive.
Weirdo
BS: "This is Weirdo."
Features the "lock without a fucking key" variation.
A tiny bit of twittering can be heard (this usually goes along with
the scratches) right before New Order perform Subculture. Hooky
can be heard off-mic crying out "Go!".
Midway during the first verse, Barney cries out for "sequencers!"
BS: "Hurt you a little bit...1-2!"
If you listen carefully, you can hear plenty of sequencer glitches.
A punter can be heard to say "Hold on one second, just one second."
Face_Up
A bit of a twister of a lyric:
BS: "I am you, and you are me / This world of ours, it could be sh..."
Afterwards:
BS: "Thank you, thank you. Boys, you realize, Andy, you could have
taken that job with Duran Duran or something."
A/B cut at this point.
The boys (and girl) finish out with Age_Of_Consent and Temptation,
featuring a weird Bernard vocal locution, after which, the singer says:
BS: "Thank you very much. How much was it to get in here tonight, by
the way? [pause for a few seconds while he solicits opinions]
Too much!?"
New Order perform Bizarre_Love_Triangle, and then step off the
stage so we can hear "(The Theme From) Rawhide" and something else
equally horrid (Tom Jones' "Delilah").
Your_Silent_Face
BS: "Thank you very much. It's very...very, very nice of you."
(with extra heapings of reverb/echo)
Awesome scratching effect a few seconds in, for your auditory pleasure:
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New_Order-19870218-YSFscratch.mp3
The group finish up with The_Perfect_Kiss.
GaoBest notes that this gig is missing from Waterrat's listing.
David Gerard sent an email saying this was actually on 2-19, instead
of the listed date of 2-20, but I'm not sure if this is actually
correct, given that NO would have had to travel from Melbourne to
Perth in a day and that it contradicts with other sources.
Anyway, here we go...apparently they were having sound problems.
Tracklisting:
Paradise
(encore)
Intro music is somthing with bongos and bells in it.
Paradise
PH: "Thank you very much."
BS: "Em, if you happen to be this girln the audience called Lee...
Lee, could you kindly come backstage after the show, please. I'm
not going downstairs [can't make out, sounds like 'pulling'] for
us...leaving...to be in Australia"
(if anybody knows what this was about, please fill me in!)
They follow the robust version of Paradise with Lets_Go.
A couple of minutes in, the volume levels drop as you can
hear the following dialogue:
Punter: "What?"
Taper: "Could you get right out of the way of that please?"
Punter: "[something] get fucked."
The levels rise again just as the song finishes up
Somebody yells "Think you can run out and find that place?",
and the volume level drops for about 40 seconds or so , but
rises back by the end of song. The song ends in guitar chords.
Way_Of_Life
http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/lyrics/brotherhood/wayoflife.htm
has "If they're your offer, more are cold". I have "A failure of your
moral code." A bit of feedback during the chorus, but some very good
guitar/bass interplay.
The taper hits stop after this song, so I assume there was a long gap
between this song and the next.
Ceremony
BS: "One, two. One"
The group play Ceremony.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Then NO get right into Temptation.
BS: "Thank you very much."
We_All_Stand
BS: "Thank you very much. We're gonna go do a slow, I mean, a really
slow one called We All Stand. Andy, see the light over there? Can you
turn off, up please, or get someone to turn it off. Can't think by if...
...step on that wire over there...horrible if...special..." (hard to make
out the last sentence)
Barney repeats "on and on" more than a few times, which is different.
BS: "Thank you, thank you, I need that tuner up. Shit, that's supposed
to be shit, mate." (not sure about wording)
Hooky fiddles with his bass a bit, before the band fire off into _586_,
ending with a three-note keyboard riff, and then Angel Dust.
Another hard-to-make-out rambling:
Subculture
PH (I think): [says something off-mic]
BS: "I don't know, it's just that his smile when I spotted him,
little creep...you can suck all our own crew off after the gig...
smile...is this..."
Hooky yells out for more bass during the first chorus. Vocals very good
here...and then, in an effect I've never heard before, they speed up the
sequencers! Totally awesome.
Tape pauses again and you can hear a second or two of Sunrise, which
the taper misses the first minute or two from. Then the group plays
The__Perfect_Kiss, which ends in guitar and bass fiddling before the
band step out...we get about 4 minutes of encore fill music, some instrument
tuning, and then Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart, ending in a bass scale.
And then, Do_The_Ostrich! A 11 minute version, no less, with a false
stop, and ending bass solo.
The date seems in line with reality, since NO turned Australasia
end of Jan - Mid Feb 1987. David Gerard wrote in correcting
the original listing (21 FEB), which he claims was apparently a
day later than the actual performance, but I'm not sure if this
was indeed the case, since GaoBest and his source disagrees.
I only have the last part of this gig at present. I've heard
that the source tape for the first part of this show is
damaged and not available. Not the fault of the taper, the
tape itself was defective, not the recording devices.
Track Listing:
Blue Monday
NOTES:
Fidelity is excellent. I have two versions, one from GaoBest,
and the other from Brian Vick. The Vick tape sounds like it's
a first generation copy, the GaoBest second or third generation.
But if it wasn't for my big boner
Tell me, wow does it feel?
Also, Barney askes for more synthesizers about 3:20 into the tune.
BS: "Turn the synth up Ed, both synthesizers!"
One of the better renditions of the era, good funk guitar lines,
And then a fairly unusual occurance: The ending drub beats of
Blue Monday segues into In_A_Lonely_Place. This song live has
a completely different outro, with a synth sound reminiscent of
the one for "Sputnik".
The pre-encore filler music announces "Prepare a funeral for a Viking"
moody interlude soundtrack stuff...then a mercifully brief "Gimme Some
Lovin'" by the Blues Brothers before New Order take the stage again.
Intro to Elegia has Bernard spouting out this classic:
BS: "Sorry about that, we all had to go get some heroin. Oh, I'm
joking, oh I'm joking! Cuz remember, Drugs are bad for you."
Sister_Ray is chock full of improvised profanity, like "who the fuck
is Sister Ray?", "Sister Ray said I love you, she was so fucking boring,
all she said was "I love you", and "Because I can't think of any more shit
lyrics!" being the most memorable.
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/redparrot.html has the songs,
if you want like to listen.
And after all these years, the full setlist has been revealed,
courtesy of MDMArchive:
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1627
--Sam
Source are MP3s in the Miscellaneous directory on Anthology Part One
(Ceremony, Atmosphere, Do The Ostrich), and more recently, a CD
(excellent quality) from Solitude (all tracks). Both appear to
be from different cassette masters.
Corrections courtesy of Shug (NOOL).
Ceremony
(from the CD source, off the excellent audience master)
Announcer can be heard saying "..ers who came here", obscured by
distortion caused by clipping. There's a brief edit, and then
the announcer says: "Go home, because it's New Order!"
(from the MP3 source, likely taken from an audience tape, which
is in all likelihood different than the one the CD was made from)
Somebody's talking through the announcement, but shuts up once
the music starts.
Announcer: "You wankers who came to hear acoustic music, go home.
Because it's New Order!"
New Order play the tune straight through.
BS: "Thank you very much".
After the song is over, Bernard says "You know..." (the rest is
likely on the subsequent track, which I don't have)
This part is cut from the CD version it seems.
Paradise
About a minute in, something fairly rare happens...the drumming
goes off-kilter. The audio cuts out for about a second or two at
the 1:26 mark.
BS: "Thank you very much".
Shellshock
Female punter asks "Barnsicle, what was that, what was that?".
Someone answers, "I don't know". All I can make out after that
is the same female punter saying "...was shit compared to the
gigs..." and "let me just listen...". This is while the Order
take 20 seconds to tune instruments and such. (Solitude)
Bass sequencer and percussion is very high in the mix here,
there's clipping at a few points.
lyric: "A victim of the state I'm in" (instead of "evil sin")
The "extra verse" comes in within the first couple of minutes.
The ending features a bit of guitar and somebody bumping into
the mic.
Way_Of_Life
A mic bump at 3:13. (Solitude)
Your_Silent_Face
BS: "Thank you very much. This is, eh, this is the first time we've
played in this part of London, and er, I think I understand why, really."
Greeted with a bit of cheering.
Everybody yells out "PISS OFF".
Barney tunes up a bit.
Every_Second_Counts
Starts with feedback. Everybody's singing along.
During the middle of the song, Bernard does a count-up in a falsetto
voice.
Subculture
BS: "Thank you. That was for the more sensitive ones in the audience,
now this one's for all the ones who shout a lot. There's nothing wrong
with shouting."
Another long gap. Gillian hits a keyboard note. One of the punters
mentions her name. (Solitude)
Face_Up
BS: "I'll tell a joke, I'll tell a joke. After this song."
At about the 2:15 mark, Barney makes a comment.
BS: "You were singing in that key during(?) the improvisation.
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck! Missed it."
The word "disgrace" is screamed out.
BS: "Thank...". Tape cuts out, A/B change.
Another version of the tape preserves what he said:
BS: "Yes, thanks very much, I always thought I was witty instead of being a
pissed up twat.
(addition courtesy of Steve Campbell, NOOL, though Shug recalls it was
'pissed up bastard', and was said after KW1)
Temptation
BS: "And we wish...and we wish we were witty instead of being a
[sounds like: mitten, he trips over his tongue here]. Yes, thank
you very much, thank you very much. I wish I was witty instead of
being a pissed-up bastard."
After it's over:
BS: "Thank you, thank you."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
Someone squeals when this starts up.
Sunrise
BS: "Thank you, this is the last song, er, that we're gonna play.
In the set...but OF COURSE we'll do an encore!"
You can hear punters asking what he said and relaying it to others.
Break in the tape.
Atmosphere
BS: "Thank you very much."
A pretty spare rendition.
The Solitude CD version has some talking 0:50 - 1:05 in.
One punter was not impressed, and after they were done, shouted out
"Fucking sacrilege!".
Do_The_Ostrich
Third performance in a total of five of this Lou Reed classic.
Bernard's improvises lyrics in a comparable manner to what he
does to Sister Ray, but maybe he's more faithful on this tune
(I haven't heard the original to comment accurately)
Some notables lines:
lyric: "You told me that I was such a great surfer." and
"There are no ostriches left on this earth."
Some shouting between a guy and girl between 7:50 and 8:20.
Cut out at about 9:09.
Taken from the Academy video, which I have an mpeg copy of. Quite
good sound here.
Also have three seperate audience sources, one taped by Simon Park,
the other of unknown origin, and third seeded by davemings on EZT.
The first two have OK sound, but obviously the sound from the video
is superior. SPs runs a bit fast, my archives version runs a bit slow.
The third version is the best extant audience version and runs at
the right speed.
The Park copy has the "Funeral For A Viking" opening as well as the
announcer's introduction. The others are missing this.
Announcer: "You probably came down with them, all the way from
Manchester, England, New Order!"
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Loud fan applause and cheering throughout.
BS: "Thank you very much....how about a guitar, lads?...This is a
new song, it's called Touched By The Hand Of God."
The archives tape is missing the first part of this song.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle follows, after which there's a bit
of guitar strumming, after which The_Perfect_Kiss is
played.
BS: "Thank you very much. Don't worry, I'll think of something else
to say in a minute."
The Order than perform Ceremony. The archives version has quite
a bit of chatter here.
Short pause after Dreams_Never_End. The Park tape has a brief
(10 second) cut out on the right channel during the into for
Love_Vigilantes. Brief edit as well on the archives tape...
the sound gets noticably more muffled for the first minute.
There's an edit in the Park between this and Confusion.
Feedback during the first verse, as well as between this
and the next song, Age_Of_Consent.
Brief appearance of the "Do The Ostrich" riff.
Temptation closes out the set.
Park tape has loud clapping around the part where Barney sings about
green/grey/blue eyes.
BS: "Thank you very much".
Tape from BV, possibly originating from CH.
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "'k you very much."
Whistling and some dialogue in Spanish.
Sooner_Than_You_Think
Hooky mutters something. All I can make out is "Guess who..."
Way_Of_Life follows.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Sunrise
The dulcet tones thereof grace the Spanish skies, or something
like that.
BS: "Thank you very much." [and then something I can't make out]
Your_Silent_Face is next.
Leave_Me_Alone
New Order would only play this twice more.
This is immediately followed by As_It_Is_When_It_Was.
Some tuning between this track and Ceremony.
A/B split at this point.
Some azimuth issues at the start of Bizarre_Love_Triangle.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Subculture follows, followed by Face_Up.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Whistling here.
Temptation
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much, good night."
Break in tape between main set and encore.
BS says something here hard to make out.
Every_Little_Counts
lyric: "Think you are a cunt, I should be fucking you."
Blue_Monday
BS: "Thank you very much...[rest is buried in reverb]."
Have three versions, one from the Vick stash, another from Solitude,
and a third from David Power.
Alan Wise: "...his guitar. They got a girl in the group, then they
hired a roadie. From Macclesfield, Joy Division!"
The Solitude version leaves out the Alan Wise intro, and has some
flutter at the start. The DPo version has very amusing chatter from
an American girl saying "Touch me, touch me!" and "the best thing
about this place here is that I can drink anywhere I want." After
the Caroline comment said American girl says "Excuse me but would
you buy me some beer?" and then again "Come with me".
BS: "Hello everyone here? I like to dedicate this set to Caroline and
Peter who should have been here tonight but, eh, Caroline's not here because
she's dead."
On Solitude, somebody says, "Sorry, mate".
This is delivered in the most laconic voice imaginable. Thinking this
to be a joke, some audience members laughed, to which Barney replied,
rather sternly, "It's not a joke and it's not funny, but then again
we never are".
Touched_By_Hand_Of_God
BS: "This is our new song, it's called, er, Touched By The Hand Of God"
Loud bass feedback a few seconds in.
BS: "Thank you very much."
A tiny bit of soundchecking before Love_Vigilantes.
Barney's melodica bit starts off a bit tentative.
BS: "Thankyouverymuch!" (delivered in a utterly inimitatable sneeze-bark)
PH: "Hey hey, hey hey hey, you're giving these guys a really hard time,
so as he said, you should fucking move back. And you really have to
move, this guy tells me, otherwise we're gonna bring the fucking dogs
in. Is that any better? He says you're not moving enough for him."
Face_Up
PH: "I'll laid(?) back now, oh(?) fucking hell."
BS: "Thank you very much."
Somebody calls out "Barney" at the end on the Solitude version.
Angel_Dust
PH: "Nice in this here tent, innit? Smells like a cowshed."
Every_Little_Counts
Long interlude with Stephen playing quiet drums.
BS: "Tonight's crowd, we can all go to the pub...[couple of words
too quiet to make out, except for "June 12th..."]
The end features the 'Let's Go"-type guitar.
BS: "Thank you very much. What do you think of the show so far?
[some cheering, not as loud as it should be] Eh, you won't hear that
we're from Manchester."
Hooky then plays the bassline to As_It_Is_When_It_Was.
Rare drumming miscue for Stephen. Bernard giggles or chokes up
slightly at the first "ran in the streets that I was born line".
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much, think you very much. The next song
from our repetroire is Bizaare Love Triangle."
BS: "Thank you very much."
Barney strums a bit.
Split in DPo tape.
Weirdo
On the Solitude version somebody yells "Git the fuck down!".
BS: "This is, eh, Weirdo."
There's a level drop between 2:40 - 2:52 on the Solitude version,
and again from 3:07 to the end of the song.
Subculture
BS: "Could you all move back a little bit please, there's eh,
people getting hurt and thrown. C'mon, move back a bit."
C'mon move back, move back."
(the first line is almost a word-for-word quote of Barney's
comment during Tolworth '83)
The fans sing almost as loudly as Barney. The Solitude
version, being recorded further back, is more distant.
A/B flip on Solitude version.
Age_Of_Consent
BS: "There's a lot of really nice people getting squashed here.
Oh please, move back, please, please, please. If you move back,
we'll all give you a quid each."
Hooky start to play the main riff, and then stops.
PH: "And you're not going to move back for this one, aren't you,
twat-faces?"
I think that did the trick. The synths go all woozy at one point,
you'll know it when you hear it. And Hooky starts talking when
Barney sings a later verse (at about 3:28 or so).
Sunrise
PH: "You gotta move back, boys. I don't know who's getting hurt,
thrown, and being crushed and then being fucking pulled out. You
don't move back, we'll play it slow."
Again, Hooky knows how to get his way. :)
On Solitude version, someone says "Excuse me, excuse me, could you
turn(?) that [something], he's in my way."
Blue_Monday
PH: "Will you fuckers move back, for God's sake? Fucking A, turn
us up Eddie, please. [clears throat] Watch me lips move, right?
MOVE BACK!"
On Solitude's version, you can hear a bell go off and a female fan
yell "Goddamn, you tosser!"
Fade out...and fade back to Alan Wise:
"One, it's not New Order being swines, unfortunately the Council have
pulled the plugs. The Council...they say there is a curfew, and I'm
not the Council. They say the curfew is at 11. Unfortunately, the
corporation demand the end of the show, not New Order for once not
wanting to come out. They'd love to have come out, Bernard was dying
to come out. But they can't come out because it's the end of the
evening, and here's the finishing music..."
From a newly surfaced master on DIME on early June 2007.
The_Perfect_Kiss opens the set. A female voice yells out
"I can't see!"
At 3:48, Hooky says "I wish you could sing it like the..." (can't
make it out, alas)
BS: "Thank you very much." Lots of loud shouting at this point.
Paradise follows.
PA buzz can be heard.
lyric: "When I looked into your PIGGY eyes..."
BS: "...very much."
Way_Of_Life
PH: "Oh dear dear, you're ...last...in 1979. Get up to date, fatso."
Punter yells, "Fuck off Hooky!"
PH: "...two three four."
Really nice performance, great vocals...ends in a guitar bit.
Hooky puts out a teaser for the next song, but pulls back and makes
Ceremony
PH: "I really don't like...you spitting. Must have fucking brains,
that lot." He then says something else I can't make out.
He plays a bassline not familar to me, maybe just one he made up on
the spot to mark time.
Thus, the intro starts out with only bass, and then only guitar, but
both meld together eventually.
BS: "Wot's you want?
All_Day_Long
Bernard comes in too early.
Guitar soundchecking between tracks.
Leave_Me_Alone
Followed with a punter yelling, "Hooky, you fat bastard, go on a diet!"
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Bernard calls out for drums!
The same heckler makes more comments about Hooky going on Weight Watchers...
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
A/B split after this song.
Punters call for 'Temptation' and 'Sunrise' as Morris fills in the wait with
some drumming.
Age_Of_Consent
Hooky than teases with a bit of the bassline, stops, and then starts again.
This ends with Hooky bass solo.
Face_Up
BS: "...very much, this is Face Up."
Bernard says something at 3:30.
Bernard's vocals reach the screaming point at the "Guess what I'm going to
do to you!"
Another one that ends with Hooky's bass, which segues right into Temptation.
Ends in feedback.
Cut in tape.
Do_The_Ostrich
BS: "Well, thank you. ...stop. Feedback."
Bernard makes his guitar riffing here more melodic than usual, and the tempo
for this is slower than other versions I've heard, as he comments on during
the first verse, so this picks up in pace after he complains about it.
lyric: "He's got a smoke machine, and its shite."
Features samples from Star Trek similar to what appeared at Glastonbury '87.
I have two versions, a pristine CD copy off of a Malcolm Beaton master,
and a 3rd-4th generation cassette that also has the Evil Dust remix on
it, that has the taper proclaming it a "Lazlo production", and which
has quite a bit more punter chatter than the Beaton master, most of
which I haven't noted.
The_Perfect_Kiss
PH: "Good evening."
There's some chanting I can't make out by punters.
On the Lazlo tape, a voice says, "This is a Lazlo production."
Love_Vigilantes follows.
lyrics: "Been so alone, you see...1-2-3-4."
This_Time_Of_Night next.
_586_
BS: "Thank you very much. [keyboard sqiggle] This is an old song that's
5-8, called...it's called 5-8-6.".
Every_Little_Counts
Barney's vocals come in a half-line late.
lyrics: "Turn the foldback up, will you please let me?"
and "I think you are a cunt, you should be in a zoo."
Sooner_Than_You_Think and Weirdo follow.
A/B flip. First part of Bizarre_Love_Triangle is missing from
the Beaton source. It's complete on the Lazlo tape, as the A/B
split there is between BLT and the next song, meaning that only the
Beaton tape contains the following:
PH: "Glad you enjoyed it."
Fans shout out during the break between songs (Beaton).
Subculture and Sunrise follow.
Slight dropout between verses on the latter.
Blue_Monday
Main set ends. Last part of backing tape caught before Barney speaks again.
(Beaton). The Lazlo tape records more of the main set/encore gap,
though there's a cut, resuming with punters singing "Manchester...is
wonderful"...quite spectacularly horrid.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "This is our new song and it's, eh...called "Touched By The Hand Of
God". Thank you. That's Rob, our manager. Robert Gretton, big hand
for Rob Gretton."
(somebody on the Lazlo tape doesn't like Gretton, calling him a
"cunt"...or maybe he DOES like him, hard to know with Mancs)
BS: "Thank you..." [can't totally make out]
PH: (interrupting) "Wouldn't be where we are today without him."
BS: "I've always loved Glasgow, I've always hated Edinburgh."
BS: (after song finishes) "Thank you very much."
New Order finish up with Temptation.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Ends with a lass screaming. (Beaton). The Lazlo tape has some
amusing comments, "You never know..." (the Order may come back on) and
"we'll tear the fucking stage apart..." (if they don't!)
Sourced from the recently unearthed videocassette.
Some music I can't identify as the band take the stage.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God starts off the
set.
Paradise
BS: "This is Paradise...very popular song [word]?"
Way_Of_Life follows.
At this point, there is frequent muffling in the sound,
which continues throughout.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Shellshock and Ceremony follow.
Hooky scratches himself whilst he waits for the sequencers
to load for Thieves_Like_Us,
Bizarre_Love_Triangle is next.
Subculture
Hooky says something about them not nearly being as comfortable
as the audience is, can't entirely make out what he's saying.
Age_Of_Consent
BS: "Thank you much. Now that we're at home, we'll play that
old favorite now, Age Of Consent." followed by a couple of
words I can't make out.
Hooky ends this with some bass notes.
Face_Up
lyric: "sometimes in life we shouldn't go on tour."
The band conclude with Temptation.
lyric: "Each way I turn, I always whine...a circle that sticks within
my eye."
Bernard speaks before singing the "blue eyes..." bit...
lyric: "Oh you got snake eyes!"
The band leave the stage, no encore.
Soundcheck
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God (instrumental)
Panoramic views of the Hacienda interior
Drums
Stephen Morris plays away...convincing us that he keeps as good
time as drum machines. His shirt has Cyrillic on it.
In the midst of his playing, Hooky walks on stage with Heather,
his daughter, who's at this point just a toddler. Andy Robinson a
nd Rob Gretton also show up.
After a few minutes, he switches to a different pattern, and
then keeps playing some more, switching again as Hooky taks his
daughter ofstage.
There's some dialouge fifteen minutes in between the roadies
about some lead or another. After another minute, Stephen
stops playing, and he and a bevy of other members and associates
hang around the keyboards and start fooling around with Star Trek
samples.
Thieves_Like_Us (keyboards)
Gillian's playing, wearing a white jacket. Stephen is behind
her.
Some more talking afterwards as Gillian takes off her jacket.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God (keyboards)
Stephen's smoking a cigarette here.
Your_Silent_Face (instrumental)
Brief performance.
Gillian picks up a guitar, strums a bit before playing the
melody to As_It_Is_When_It_Was, and then switches
to something unidentifiable.
Hooky then shows up with his Eccelehall, playing the melody
to Age_Of_Consent, followed by Lonesome_Tonight, and
then his infamous one-twos, which continue for a minute or
two...then a bit of conversation and noodling.
Thieves_Like_Us (instrumental) follows.
Still no sign of Bernard at this point.
Gillian is back on guitar.
Paradise follows, also an instrumental, since the vocalist
still hasn't made an appearance.
As soon as somebody starts to sha-la-la, the take abruptly
stops. Bernard has arrived.
Gillian than plays the bit for We_All_Stand, which the
band play. Followed by the guitar bit to Lets_Go and then
some more guitar.
Bernard does his own one-twos, and there's a bit more noodling
before they perform Shellshock, with vocals, Hooky promimently
on backing vox.
Way_Of_Life follows.
Bernard stops the take as the vocals seem too quiet and the
drums too loud. They start up again, but Bernard cuts off
the take again.
BS: "Whoa these monitors don't seem to be doing anything at
all. Let me check these wedges..." Then he one-twos and
says the sound is a bit bassy, and continues complaining for
a bit. The group try it a third time, and this time finish.
A bit more random soundchecking as the group depart the
stage.
The fullest source for this concert was taken from an audience tape and
has all tracks which were played at Glastonbury. There are soundboard
releases of all tracks except 'Elegia', but for some mysterious reason,
Subculture and Sunrise were left off the BBC Windsong release
(Ceremony's absence is less of a mystery, since this rendition is
supposedly not one of their best), which also erroneously lists
'Every Little Counts' as 'Every Second Counts'.
Sound quality on the audience tape portions is very good, and of course
the audience tape is the only source for all the profanity, aside from
the pre-BLT comment.
There's also an audience video of the proceedings, nearly B&W but filmed
fairly closely to the proceedings.
Elegia
BS: "Hello, everyone. We're gonna start the session this evening with
an instrumental called Elegia."
They play the song. A little bit of the way Hooky cries out, "Andy!".
You can see Bernard strumming furiously but no noise is made, and he
swaps his Strat for his Gibson halfway through. Hooky is redolent in
his fluffed mullet, the 80s was definitely the decade of scary hair.
BS: "One two, one two thank you very much. That was an instrumental called
Elegia."
(the audience tape doesn't have the "one two thank you very much" bit)
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Bernard points up signalling the wedges to be turned up. This concert
features lasers, as the video reveals.
Bernard's singing is gloriously off-key.
Nice guitar riffing too.
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much."
Temptation
Great version, very much like Temptation 87.
True_Faith
BS: "This is a new song that we never played before so, er, bear with us if
you will. It's called True Faith."
BS: "Thank you very much. Stop flashing the lights, Andy."
Your_Silent_Face.
Bernard blows into a green Hohner melodica at the start.
On the audience tape, Hooky says something at 3:22, the last word "back" is
the only one I can make out.
Coda at end.
Every_Little_Counts follows.
Ceremony
(Hooky's comments can be more clearly discerned from the audience
tape)
BS: "Fuck you, fuck you(!) It's like playing in a British Legion in Salford,
this."
PH: "Any requests? (through Bernard's comment) Wot was that?"
PH: "Was this your idea, Andy?"
After the song...
PH: "You miserable bastards actually drink that shit?"
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Andy, Andy, 'Q' on the smoke machine. Corny bastard. I think
all these people have seen a smoke machine before."
Subculture
BS: "Thank you thank you. Notice that all our songs finish with
big endings. Big songs, small dicks."
A little bit of Let's Go tacked at the end...
Sunrise
BS: "This next one's called Sunrise."
The_Perfect_Kiss
PH: "You aren't employed by Andy Liddle, are you? Very Andy...finding your
way back to your tent."
[what in the HELL was that about?]
Yummy raunchy guitar. Even yummier female moans.
Age_Of_Consent
PH: "Thank you. This is to warm you up for that long cold night you've
got ahead of you."
lyric: "I'm not the kind that needs to tell you just what the fuck you want
me to."
BS: "Thank you, thank you."
Sister_Ray has neat Star Trek samples, probably the same ones that
appeared in Do The Ostrich played at The Roxy in Sheffield on 08 Jun 87.
Something appears to get smashed up in the end.
From http://www.neworderonline.com/thread.asp?thread_id=1553&forum_id=1
NORDERPHILE writes:
"A bizarre memory was New Order playing Reading University Rag Ball in
1987. Half the crowd were in tuxedos/ballgowns, despite the first
rendition of 1963 it was a poor gig rounded off brilliantly by an encore
of Lonesome Tonight."
Have a CD of a Lazlo first-gen which greatly betters the "M/2" that I
had previously, which leaves out Bernard's intro to the first song, and
really doesn't do this gig justice, at least from the little I could
listen to, as the recently-received copy blows it away.
Annoying whistle here.
Paradise
BS: "Thank you very much, I know that you've not seen us for a while.
This is Paradise."
Looks like levels were low until the bass drum kicked in, don't know
if that was the recorder or the PA, I suspect the former.
Lazlo: "This is one of those dead pissed Lazlo productions, actually."
partner: "No it's not, we're gonna go home tonight."
Lazlo: "Fell asleep in the ditch with them."
partner: "Totally sober." (at the same time as above)
Lazlo: "Got no car."
PH: "How many of you have anything fucking better to do than shout?"
Lazlo says something about "those dickheads". Somebody else blows a
whistle.
Lets_Go follows. This song never disappoints live, and here is no
exception.
Punters nearby shout. The annoying whistle blows.
Shellshock is next.
BS: "Thank you very much."
A bit of Lou Reed-y type guitar follows.
Temptation
The audience start shouting out the melody in the bridge.
A couple of comments that this is a "marvellous show", to contrast with
NORDERPHILE's opinion above.
Another comment: "got no dirty looks".
All_Day_Long
Bernard comes a bit late in with vocals.
Fans (not Bernard for a change) whoop, and somebody blows the whistle
again. Random comments from the taping group. During which, one of
the band play a tiny bit of keyboard for the next song.
_1963_
The debut performance! Again, Bernard's a bit late on vocals here.
The verse before the chorus has very odd phrasing, as if Bernard was
coming in early on the chorus by mistake.
Punter cries for "Transmission." About 15 years early on that one...
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: (at 0:20 or so) "I need a mikestand that won't skid around".
Chorus of first verse is missing...maybe the mike skidded out of
reach at that point.
Angel_Dust
(at end) "Woo!" "Peter!" "Lazlo!"
A/B split is at this point.
Face_Up
Ugh, the whistle is now following the melody around!
Sunrise
Audience claps along to the intro.
Blue_Monday
More clapping.
Feedback at 2:33.
Lonesome_Tonight
The band comes back on to this and encores with this song, which is the
last time they ever played it. This was supposedly rehearsed for the
summer 2005 gigs, but never aired.
BS: "Thank you very much. One two, one two, one two, one two."
A shame because this is one of my top 5 favorites.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Lazlo: "That's all, folks."
Many thanks to "jsz" from mdmarchive for identifying the setlist.
See here: http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1146&bid=693
Note that his source is labelled the 16th, but this may be post-dated.
An audience source has finally turned up, courtesy of 'ellaguru' on DIME.
As seeded, the last two racks appear first, with Subcutlure appearing
third, and the rest following.
Subculture
The tape is missing the first portion, as the taper started in a bit late.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Dreams_Never_End is next.
Sunrise
Chatter at the start, female voice saying something hard to make out...this
individual may be the taper.
Temptation
More chatter from the putative taper.
_1963_ follows.
BS: "Andy, can you turn the lights down please?"
True_Faith is next.
Weirdo
Ends with guitar being strummed and tom-tom sounding drumming.
BS: "Thank you very much. So....over there. [hard to make out the rest]"
Face_Up follows. A bit of hubbub at the start....and faded out right at
the start of the next track.
Age_Of_Consent
First part is cut, with the track fading in mid-verse.
The_Perfect_Kiss follows.
Bernard says something indisguishable.
Taken from a very poor sounding recording, but it's the only one we've got.
It's not one that circulates widely because we first learned of the setlist
via the MDMA.
Subculture
Audience recording is missing the first part.
Dreams_Never_End
Hooky says something at the end hard to make out.
Ceremony
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much".
BS: "...stop screaming
Hooky also speaks at the end of True_Faith, hard to make out
except after he talks he replies with "Good." and then says something
else.
Every_Little_Counts
A few left channel dropouts on my recording.
Lonesome_Tonight follows.
The last time New Order would perform this song.
Brief dropout near the end.
Shellshock
BS: "Thanks very much. Thank you very much."
Then he says something I can't understand, and then something about the lights.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
Bernard say someting at the start.
PH: "Thank you."
Face_Up
Some annoying bird-like "woo woo"'s from the audience.
Age_Of_Consent
Bernard says something else I can't make out.
Brief tape cut.
Temptation closes things out.
BS: "Thank you, good night!"
Two versions, one from Tim Cole received from UKBT, very distant and
hissy, the other a first-generation tape in the BV stash. The TC tape
seems to suffer from bleed-through at the start. The BV is better
recorded and preserved.
Intro is Funeral For a Viking, standard for this tour.
Present more in full on the TC version than on the BV M/1.
BS: "Thanks a lot. We're New Order and this is Elegia...it's a very
quiet riff." {a barely audible mumble on the TC version)
Elegia
(at end)
BS: "Thanks very much."
The opening drum pattern to True_Faith is mistakenly triggered.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
On the TC version there's an internal edit at 2:30 that sounds like
a photo shutter, but is of course really something else.
(on BV version)
woman: "What's his name, by the way?"
BS: "Thanks a lot."
Odd "Are you experenced" type guitar or bass riffing in between
songs.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle and Ceremony follow.
True_Faith
BS: "Thank you. This is our new single, and we're playing to it...
playing...playing it to you. It's a track [sounds like: crony...]
leads to buying it(?)."
PH: "Freudian slip there, man."
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much."
Every_Little_Counts is prefaced with Hooky playing the bassline
to Joy Division's "Sound Of Music"!
punter: "I might get an autograph yet." and "Yeah!" (BV version).
Some dropouts/flakiness on tape about 2:00 in (TC version).
lyric: "Every second counts / When I fuck with you."
Leave_Me_Alone
Somebody near the taper (on BV version) howls at the start and end of this.
lyrics: "A hundred unions in the snow / I watched them falling, fucking
in a row. I'm going fuck you in here tonight / It's gonna be OK if I don't
fight."
(at end on TC version)
person near taper: "Is this still running?"
taper?: "Well..."
BS: "Thank you so much."
On BV version, the taper asks an interesting comment...
taper: "Why the fuck is he giving all these thank you's for?"
Subculture
BS: "[mumbles, kinda sounds like a slurred "What ya doin'"]...This is an
old song."
Face_Up follows.
Age_Of_Consent
Internal cuts at 0:52 (A/B split on my tape), 1:30, and 1:52 (TC version)
The BV version is complete.
The_Perfect_Kiss
Somebody yells out "Cowbell" near the start, and there's other audience
chatter (TC version).
lyric: "Playing with my big fat cock!"
Volume level drops of near the seven-minute point, and through
to the rest of the set. (TC version)
Lots of a particular audience member going "Woo" at the end.
(BV version)
Temptation
More howling, and somebody shouting out for "Confusion" (BV version).
BS: "I (don't) want to lose the lights, Andy, like the lights.
Psychedelic."
BS: "Thank you very much for wanting us back...thank you very much."
During the intro, Hooky says "Many reasons Phil fucking wor..."
[can't make it out entirely].
There's another internal cut shortly before the first verse, as well as
the sound of the tape getting chewed up near the end. (TC version)
Sister_Ray ends the set. Ian MacCulloch from Echo And The Bunnymen
sings on one of the verses, with the most notable line being "sucking on
my ding-dong", which happens to be on the original.
lyrics: "Sister Ray said bollocks / Sister Ray said twat
"Sister Ray said piss / Sister Ray said shit"
and "Sister Ray always spoiled me".
BS (right at the five-minute point): "I'd like to deliver a little
message to...in the audience tonight. You should go and stop seeing
these groups! Because...they're no good for you. You should go and
see them old groups because they're full of shit. I said shit, I said
shit."
MP3 taken from LP copy of Chapter III bootleg. My copy is not
particularly well-mastered. Since then, another audience version
has surfaced, with different audience comments.
There's also an amateur video of the proceedings, though the only
copy of this I have is fairly poor quality.
Somebody says, "There they are...there's Eddie."
Somebody else: "Send me a copy."
Love_Vigilantes
BS: "Thanks a lot. Hello Frank."
BS: "'k you."
A bit of conversation between a guy and gal near the taper,
including at about 45 seconds into the song.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
Lots of crowd noise in this one, including one guy yelling out
'Fuck You' to somebody.
Everythings_Gone_Green
Has echoing whoops. The world is coming to an end.
lyric: "I see my future before me...I'll hurt you with that can."
A fan mutters as Bernard sings, "Seems like I've been here before."
something about the song being called "Everything's Gone Green",
since it was one of the older ones.
Lets_Go
This is the instrumental version. Hooky starts it off with a "Yo!"
Very good guitarwork by Mr. Sumner.
All_Day_Long
Not commonly played live during the '87 US tour, the only other time
known was in Montreal.
End of side 1 on LP.
Angel_Dust
Another Hooky "Yo!".
PH: "One hell of a crash party paradise(?)".
(at end)
BS: "...very much."
PH: "What are you shouting?"
Shellshock
lyric: "I've been bad, but I've been bad..."
Weirdo
BS: "Turn the lights down, Andy. It's kinda light up here. ...got
to be up front with the stars..." [not 100% sure on wording]
Hooky yells out "Let's go!".
lyric: "I know you and you know me, and we're as fucked us as we can be"
The song abruptly comes to a halt.
The video version doesn't make it that far, as the taper comments that they
thought the got spotted. The recording resumes sometime during the start of
Face Up.
BS: "How did like the weird ending on that one?"
Face_Up
BS: "And by the way, everyone says this, but we do love New York.
The drugs are so cheap here, and plentiful!"
Ends with Hooky bass solo, which segues into the next song.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Ceremony
Well-performed version.
BS: "Thanks a great deal."
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "...turn a bit please, a bit hot for it. In fact, can you turn the
lights off? Well, when we start playing the next song, when I start singing,
turn them on. That's what we do at pop concerts, innit?"
(J.W. Anthony had sent in the original correction, the new audience
version has more of Bernard's pre-song comments)
PH: "Never get this shit from Gene Loves Jezebel, do you Andy?"
Bernard calls for "lights" before the first chorus.
New audience version has a cut here.
Blue_Monday
You can hear some girl say her foot fell asleep, heh.
NO come back on as good electro music fades out...
PH: "C'mon Frank, you knew we'd come on, didn't ya?"
Blue Monday has orchestral string sounds typical of peformances around
this time.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Recording is very trebly, even with Dolby B on, but is of pretty
good quality, marked as second generation. Another version, sounding
a bit rougher, surfaced in early 2006. It has some of the intro
'Funeral For A Viking' and lots of crowd interaction.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much. We'll start off with a new song, it's
called Touched By The Hand Of God."
A rousing version of Dreams_Never_Ends follows.
Ceremony
BS: (to roadie) "Would you turn this smoke machine off, please it
stinks."
Sunrise
Opening marred by chattering fans. Vocals unusually impassioned.
The recording I have has the levels drop on the right channel
2/3 of the way through.
Your_Silent_Face
False start, equipment glitch.
PH: So you can't win 'em all, can you? Even in a place like New York."
(you can then hear some girl near the mic trying to decipher what you said)
Barney sings "Why don't you fuck off?" instead of the "Why don't
you piss off?" that occurs in the recorded version.
Every_Little_Counts
More audience chattering, grr. Barney spits out the word "pig".
Fans cheer in the brief break in the song, thinking it over.
Subculture
PH: (as song starts) "I'll say..."
Hooky can be heard on backing vocals, a bit out of sync with
Bernard's vocal.
Face_Up
BS: "Thank you very much.
(to roadie): "Andy, all the vocals on the side fill, I'm not...
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much."
(again to roadie)...Could we do it a bit brighter, it sounded
very dull."
Age_Of_Consent
Hooky trips and falls over the initial riff, they start over.
The intro is completely out of tune, but they get back into
the swing of things.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Temptation
Instead of "one, two, three, four", it's "uno, dos, tres, quatro".
BS: "Thank you very much, indeed."
New Order conclude the main set with The_Perfect_Kiss.
Edit before the encore songs.
PH: "Right, we're gonna play a Paul Young cover for all you
people who wanted to see Paul Young."
(correction courtesy of Shug of NOOL)
Blue_Monday featues an extensive appearance of orchestral string
samples. Hooky gets creative with the bassline at one point.
Ends with the '87 tour Star Trek samples.
Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart
First verse gets mangled a bit, but the second has a classic
ad lib, where Ian would have sung "Is my timing that flawed?".
"Is my breath that bad?"
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Quality is OK. Audience chatter is noticeable. Source was probably
prety clear but this is a couple of generations gone.
Tape I have has a late start to Perfect Kiss, so only the last two
minutes of that tune can be heard.
BS: "Thank you so much..."
(one of the bootleggers can be heard to say 'Did you wind the tape
forward?'...yeah?, no?')
Everythings_Gone_Green
Bernard's singing is clearer than on any heretofore known version
(meaning you can make out the words), version is shorter than
historically typical.
Angel_Dust
Ends on a Hooky bass solo.
This_Time_Of_Night
(after song finishes)
"Thank you very much, we like to feel we provide something different
for the audience, an alternative. Which I suppose we do, really..."
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
(end of song)
BS: "It's not called 'Plantation' dickhead, it's called 'Temptation'"
(ouch)
Love_Vigilantes
BS: "Thank you very much, Oh, look at that plane there, look at that
plane. My, must be interesting."
A few lyrics are improvised here.
Somebody keeps yelling out for "Blue Fucking Monday"...
PH: "Rather be on the go-carts" (they're playing at an amusement park)
BS: "It's not called 'Temptation'. I don't choose! It's called
'Planatation'.
PH: "If you believe him, you'll believe anything."
Then NO play Subculture and Face_Up.
Face Up cuts out for a few seconds near the end, but picks up again.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Age_Of_Consent
"Just what the fuck you want me to" line.
State_Of_The_Nature
BS: "Thank you very much."
Break in recording.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
PH: "Any guesses? ...a guess with what we're gonna finish with?"
(edit, into encore)
Do_The_Ostrich
BS: "Thank you. You're gonna regret this now, make the vocals a bit
brighter, turn the volume down Nick, you're gonna regret this, this is
um..." BS strums his guitar...
BS: "With the bass here tonight..."
I'm going to attempt the nearly insane task of transcribing the lyrics
for this one. See:
http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs87.html#NO-870904
Run_Run_Run
Ian McCulloch takes the stage and introduces Barney. Both alternate
verses on this one.
I'm going to attempt the nearly insane task of transcribing the lyrics
for this one:
Do the ostrich
He told me that I was no good for you
So I said "do the ostrich"
Fucking [name?] was a boy but we didn't know it
Fucking [name?] was a boy but we didn't know it
When you get down to the [?]
Do the ostrich
About three minutes in, Barney tells the soundman (or the rest of the
band) to "take it down, turn it down, turn it down".
We've reach that plain song where you need...
Either you speak the sounds or don't [?]...bastard!
If that seems like too much of an effort
Everybody tear your pants up to [?Hooky's] left
We ask who's left? [?]
But...words...not the poet
If once I bought this record by the Velvet Underground
It had a very, very, simple drone[?] type sound
It was [?] cunt and twat
Do the ostrich
Notes indicate this is a first generation tape, recorded from
the audience. Except for the beginning of Bizarre Love Triangle,
the first song, where the tape drops out and sounds muddy, the
audio quality is really good.
I also have this on CD-R, it looks like it's from the same
source.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much, we're gonna begin the set with Bizarre
Love Triange"
(audio dropout until halfway through the song, then sound gets much
better)
True_Faith
BS: "Thanks a lot. We'll play a chinese song now"
(features "taking drugs with me" line)
Sunrise
BS: "Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. Hey number one new civic center!
Thank you very much, see you after the show, we'll get you a drink."
Every_Little_Counts has lyrics from Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side,
which I think happened through the '87 US tour.
lyric: "I think you are a pig, ha ha / I think you even poo."
BS: "Thank you very much."
_1963_
lyrics: "I don't care if you got a big dick
Ah, Johnny won't you hear me, Johnny won't you hear me?"
Subculture
Hooky precedes this with the usual 10 note or so bass melody.
lyric: "In the end you will submit, it's got to hurt you, I don't
give a shit."
Edit at this point.
Somebody actually calls out for "Twats Like Us". NO play Weirdo instead.
lyric: "I know you and you know me, and we're as fucked up as we should
be."
Song comes abruptly to a halt.
Face_Up follows.
Between verses, Bernard declaims, "Never repeat yourself."
He sing-speaks the first lines of the following verse.
Fade out/in.
Somebody calls out for Temptation. Which NO do play.
lyric: "Oh you got green eyes, oh you got blue eyes, oh you got warm eyes."
Blue_Monday has these awesome cheesy orchestral sounds.
Hooky improvises near the end here, really, really good!
Brief cut.
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "Thanks you very much. [frog sample] Jesus is with us."
Another really good improvisation, this time by Bernard on guitar.
BS: "Thank you, good night."
Cassette soundboard master depicted here:
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=2560&bid=693
This is the infamous gig where the group played Substance in order,
and then came back and encored with Joy Division songs!
Source courtesy of RM and 'nof586'.
Info starts with the 'Funeral for a Viking' sequence, which on
the canonical version is preserved for quite a while (two and a
half minutes)
(introduction is from RM tape)
TW: "Ladies and gentlemen of Southern California...to quote an
old friend of mine from Manchester in England...who do you think
is the greatest pop group in the world? And it is New Order."
Ceremony
PH: "Good Evening".
BS: "Thank you."
Everythings_Gone_Green follows.
Temptation
PH: "Any requests? (song starts) Too late."
Has the keening intro guitar but seen with more recent versions
(Temptation '98 being the canonical example).
A girl at the 4:30 point (of the 'LA bird' species) asks if the
taper is taping.
lyric: "Oh it's the last time, oh it's the sickness." A few
seconds after this there's a bit of a stereo change, probably
due to the taper dancing along.
Taper: "I'm gonna give you a piece of paper, please write down
your phone number, I'll tape your...out.
PH: "Another L..L... rainbow, is there?" [can't quite make this out]
The trouble with rain is that it plays havoc with our sequencers."
Blue_Monday is greeted with screaming.
PH: (about a minute in) "Quit waving at their cue, Andy!"
Features the same sorts of orchestral-type sounds that would become
even more promiment during the '89 performances. An outstanding
version.
BS: "Thank you very much indeed." (clears throat).
Some guitar is strummed, probably when Barney is picking up a bass
for Confusion.
Interestingly enough, this song is in a completely different key
than either the original or '87 versions.
Then follows an exchange between the taper and his friend.
friend: "Why you're doing the break, dude? C'mon you don't want me
to fuck it up during the song!"
taper: "I will, I'd like a place to get in there..." [i think]
friend: "I wanna move up, dude!"
Thieves_Like_Us
taper: "Tell me it very fast so I can get your telephone number."
The person reads out the number.
The_Perfect_Kiss
lyric: "Tonight I should have stayed at home, playing with my big
fat cock."
Tape flip at this point.
Subculture
BS: "How many of you here want to hear it again. Okay, wonderful
audience, what a wonderful audience. I would like to know you
personally, each and every one of you. Just think, it must be
wonderful [medicine?] in this audience."
A couple of seconds later: "...To others[?]"
lyric: "These crazy words are mine, Someday I'll print them..."
Bernard growls out what has to be "Rolaids!" during the bridge
right before singing the verse again.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Shellshock
Bernard reverses the "I've been good and I've been bad", making
the (correct) Hooky backing vocal stand out like a sore thumb.
lyric: "No matter how I try and try, the smell of cocaine gets
me high." Substance, get it?
BS: "Thank you very much indeed, thank you very much."
What he says next sounds like "Short and askew" but probably isn't.
State_Of_The_Nation follows.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much. Have we got any faggots in the audience
tonight? Yeah, everyone. [people start booing, and you can hear
a female fan shout "Oh my God"]. But clearly Barney is taking the
piss, because he follows up by saying, "That's good, cuz we don't
care....We're New Order and we don't care." The crowd goes wild.
And then the band soundcheck Iggy Pop's "The Passenger"!
True_Faith
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Ends in guitar
End of main set, tape edit in between this and first encore.
Atmosphere
PH: "This is for all you, eh, old-timers in the audience..."
lyric: "Yet we're all trying...yet we're all saying...
You turn to your mother, you turn to your father...given in
too soon..."
[he may have forgotten the lyrics and just ab-libbed this part]
Thank you very much indeed, good night! Sounds soo bad.
Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart
Doesn't appear on my recording, alas.
Sister_Ray
(from RM source...faded up in progress, as the taper had to rush
back in and set up the gear)
Plenty of foul-mouthed utterings. "I don't give a shit...I don't
care about you..." being a sample. Amazing feedback drenched
guitarwork.
BS: "Thanks very much, good night!"
Description from http://web.archive.org/web/20011102124429/http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremony/neworder/no_disc/notapes.html
The entry reads:
Rennes, France, 11.12.85 salle villar - maison de la culture
blue monday, ultraviolence, the village, shame of the nation,
this time of night, everything's gone green, sub-culture
(b) confusion, temptation, the perfect kiss, as it is when it was
(filler from compton terrace AZ 1-15-97 substance tour)
However, MDMArchive reveals that in fact the setlist was significantly
different, which makes sense as As It Is When It Was was really only
featured during their '89 tour.
01. Bizarre Love Triangle
12. Atmosphere
Actually, I misread the slashmc.rice.edu/ listing, as it was pointed out
that the filler from Compton Terrace was never actually enumerated!
Tape starts out with the Vikings theme.
Touched_By_the_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Hello, we're New Order, and we'll focus on the...bit basic(?)"
Couple of stereo field shifts...the quality of the recording gets
noticably better after the second minute.
Ceremony
PH: "Got all this feedback on me..." (?)
At the end, Bernard says, "Thank you, punters."
Angel_Dust is next.
Paradise
Somebody near the taper (on the left channel) says "Yeah" about three
times.
Your_Silent_Face
A few notes from the melodica before the electronics start.
lyrics: "No breathing, no movement, no colors, no side fills."
Bernard delivers "Piss off" in an interesting accent.
True_Faith comes next.
Shellshock
BS: "Bass...sequencer...down...please."
Somebody shouts out for "Temptation".
Subculture follows.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much."
Age_Of_Consent and then Temptation.
BS: "Thank you, good night."
New Order come back on to do The_Perfect_Kiss, but before that
Hooky plays a bit of a bass solo.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night."
And like that, they're done.
Off of CD-R sent to me by Calle, later seeded for all to enjoy on DIME.
Audience tape, fairly good sound.
Announcer..."let us now experience New Order"...then about two minutes of
87 tour theme music.
New Order come on stage.
BS: "It's a little bit cold..."
PH: "Let see if we can warm you up a bit..."
Ceremony
(outro)
PH: "Whose is this, whose is this? Think I'll want to hold on to this..."
Blue_Monday
(intro)
PH: "Transmission...it's nice to hear someone with a sense of humor."
Begining is full of nice choral effects.
Dreams_Never_End
PH: "All right..."
Love_Vigilantes
(at end)
BS: "Ozzie, repair our [-two words-] now.."
True_Faith follows.
Everythings_Gone_Green
Good example of hold and release sampling. "Show me...show me...show me.."
Bernard then says "Mussolini...was a fat bloke." which amusingly also gets
the hold and release treatment.
They run through the remaining songs...including Face_Up and Temptation.
The_Perfect_Kiss closes out the main set.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle is the first encore track. Then they play
Anarchy_In_The_UK, which has a loping Hooky bassline and one of
the roadies doing the vocals.
PH: "Thank you, and good night...and to [?] words[?]"
Source is a excellent second-generation audience tape. There are two
other known sources as well.
The intro is actually the beginnings of the bassline for Loveless!
Amazing to see this so early.
Touched_By_The__Hand__Of__God follows.
BS: "Thank you very much, [something]."
Ceremony follows.
Angel_Dust
The final performance ever for this song.
PH: "Eh, getting a whistle on the bass there, mate."
Bizarre_Love__Triangle
PH: "Eh, getting a whistle on the bass there, mate."
True_Faith
This brings out handclaps from all about. Features "they're
all taking drugs with me" lyric, of course.
Every_Little_Counts
PH: "Nice little short one for you, lull you all to sleep."
Some chatter in German through the first verse on the tumult
version.
After the second verse, Bernard pips in with what sounds like
the F-word.
Has the "Sputnik" synth ending.
Love_Vigilantes
Soon to be retired from the setlist, with the Wembley performance
four days later being the final performance until this one was
resuscitated in 2001.
Hooky starts this one out with a descending slide.
Sunrise and Face_Up follow.
Barney says something different before the "your hair was long" bit.
Either that, or it's an out-and-out flub.
Temptation
At about 3:00 Barney improvises with directions to the stage crew.
lyric: "I will complain about the light..."
At 5:37, he sneaks a "fuck you" into the "I've never seen anybody
quite you before" lines.
Barney's guitar filigree melds right into the Blue_Monday intro.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Fans start cheering, there's a tape break a few seconds and about
two and a half minutes of further cheers, claps, etc. Another
edit and New Order come back on.
The_Perfect_Kiss
PH: "Anyone got any chewing gum? Any of you fuckers got any chewing
gum? Quit chewing gum, you cunt!"
(wonder what happened here?)
PH: "[snorts] That's better..." There's a stutter with the drums during
an intro, like Hooky was beating the shit out of them. He mutters
a few other things before Barney starts singing.
(during intro)
PH: "Pretty good [Mike?], keep it up." He mutters something after that
I can't make out.
Do_The_Ostrich
The last time this is ever played. Has a unique programmed drum
intro instead of live drums.
Lots of improvs, one example:
lyric: "You said to me, I should have met you before...
In the year of '84, when I met you you were a bore."
And more:
lyric: "I saw you where people called me shitfaced...
I saw you immediately I loooooved you..."
Ends with Hooky going nuts, of course. The band has stopped playing
by the time the Star Trek samples come on, which are still playing
as the venue music goes out over the PA.
Link to gig review at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/zza77/temp/paris87.htm
Confirmed track listing as same in nogig.
Somewhat hissy recording, I have it identified as 4th generation.
Still very listenable even as such. I've since received a better
copy.
Performance features the last time NO is known to have performed
586.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much, we're New Order, and this is Bizarre Love
Triangle...you bastard."
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Merci Beaucoup".
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much, punters. Eddie, can you tighten this mic
stand up."
State_Of_The_Nation
BS: "Thank you very much. ...mike stand in place."
True_Faith
BS: "It's a song about prostitutes with big tits".
Features the "they're all taking drugs with me" lyric.
As_It_Is_When_It_Was and Paradise follow.
As does _586_, the last time the group play the song.
Face_Up is played. It has a digital skip at 2:29.
A/B split at this point.
Temptation follows.
Some audience shout-outs.
Age_Of_Consent features "...just what the fuck you want us to..."
typical of '87 gigs.
The_Perfect__Kiss concludes the main set.
lyric: "Let's go out and fuck someone."
The audience claps along to the handclaps in the song, which
has to be a first!
The very end features a whooping sound not unlike the siren in 'Disorder'.
Edit in tape between main set and encore.
Blue_Monday is the first encore track.
Interestingly enough, Blue Monday has the orchestral-like sounds
that it would take on during the Technique tour.
Sister_Ray also sounds like the version they played in
Brazil in '88 that can be found in on the Giorno Poetry Systems
Like_A_Girl_I_Like_To_Keep_You_Coming
compilation with the speeded up ending, though this version
finds Bernard in a more talkative mood.
There's a link to an article about somebody whe was there
at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/zza77/temp/paris87.htm
Dropouts at the beginning of this version, but sound gets better as
it goes along.
Touched_By_The_Hand__Of__God
BS: "Thank you very much."
(following from Dave Mings...may be missing from my version, but not his)
After this one Barney says 'Thank you very much. Apart from that bastard'.
This was referring to some punter who through a plastic bottle that flicked
off the top of his head and then flew in Steve's direction.
Ceremony follows.
Way_Of_Life
PH: "Hello. Good evening! This one is for Terry Mason, who's
leaving us tonight. This is his favourite song so let's call it(?)
bon voyage."
PH: (at end) "Bye bye Tel". (thanks to Dave Mings for supplying this
bit)
True_Faith is next.
They're all taking drugs with me, of course.
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much indeed.
Manchester United!"
Bizarre_Love_Triangle follows.
Every_Little_Counts
(at start)
BS: "Thank you very much. I want to dedicate this next record to
Gene Loves Jezebel. We're all very big fans of theirs. I'm sure
if we are, you are."
I think this 'dedication' is entirely sarcastic, but unlike what
I had earlier, he likely states "record" and NOT "rip-off". Thanks
again to Dave Mings for the observation.
Love_Vigilantes
PH: "How are you doing tonight? What's [tons of echo here obscures
the next couple of words] are you waiting for?"
Subculture and then Face_Up follow.
BS: "Thank you very much."
An edit at this point, likely the A/B flip.
Temptation and The_Perfect_Kiss close out the set.
Blue_Monday starts out the first encore. The tape garbles
a bit during the intro. Lots of audience participation on this
one.
BS: "And we're gonna finish with a very, very, very, very, very, very
old song tonight called Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart."
Sister_Ray
The band come back out for a second encore.
Both Hooky and Barney speak during the intro, but I can't make out
what they're saying. Your help here would be appreciated.
During a break between choruses.
BS: "Turn the lights down a little bit. Turn them off, Andy, please."
'Slow ending' variant.
Paradise
Very start is missing.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Subculture
BS: "Subculture. Eventually."
BS: "Thank you."
Somebody taps the mic.
Way_Of_Life
Guitars during the bridge are a bit out of tune.
Sunrise follows, as does Your_Silent_Face.
The latter cuts out near the end.
This_Time_Of_Night is next.
lyric: "Without you, they'll never fucking show."
BS: "Why, thank you very much."
Another cut.
Shellshock
BS: "You should see the Japanese...does anyone have fucking balls(?)
Thank you very much."
The last verse features some choice improvisations.
A guitar florish near the end.
Everythings_Gone_Green follows.
At this point the recording cuts out, so we don't know what was played
afterwards.
Pre-gig intro gig music is some old skool rap.
BS: "Good evening, robots! When the gig's done(?), let's have sex."
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "It's a new song, it's called Touched By The Hand Of God."
Hard to make out some of the between song commentary.
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much. We have to do(?)
from the end of it, that one. I hope everybody thought it was all
right. 'He was a dick, anyway'."
Paradise follows.
lyric: "When I looked into your PISSED blue eyes..."
Outro featuring just Hooky bass, very nice!
Angel_Dust is next.
Weirdo
BS: "This is, er, Weirdo."
lyric: "Just like a suitcase without a key."
As_It_Is_When_It_Was
BS: "Thank you, thank you."
Sooner_Than_You_Think and State_Of_The_Nation follow.
BS: "Thanks a lot."
PH: "You have to speak up shitface, can't hear you. Something lost in
the translation then."
Confusion is next.
Lots of clapping along to Age_Of_Consent.
Split in tape at this point between the preceeding track and Sunrise,
which also has quite a bit of clapping from the audience along with it.
Blue_Monday
BS: "Thank you very much. This next song...this next song's is very
[can't make out rest]..."direct?" ...Thank you. Arigato."
At 4:55 and 4:58, somebody hits what sounds like a cymbal really loudly.
Strange syndrum ending.
End of main set. Between this and the encore, one can hear the
Blues Brothers 'Rawhide', which the fans clap along to. This is then
followed by 'Funeral For A Viking'
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "Thank you all. Vocals up, Ed." [frogs, moans] "Thank you can find
it change(?)...This is The Perfect Kiss, thank you very much. Thank you..
this is a song [can't make out]..."
Between 1:32 and 1:38 Bernard says a few things. "Thank you very much,
[some words I can't make out] ...this section."
Synth goes awry at 2:00, and the vocals start out too low in the mix.
Do_The_Ostrich finishes out the set. Lots of ad-libbed potty words
for your listening pleasure.
After-gig music is Fine Young Cannibals's Buzzcocks cover, through which
there's a brief announcement in Japanese.
My records have this as fourth generation. It's really hissy.
Some of Bernard's quotes make absolutely no sense. I'm betting
he's taking the piss out of the Japanese audience, most of
whom understand little or no English.
Shellshock
BS: "...think we made it inside. This is Shellshock"
"No matter how we try and try/
There's some other improvisations, too.
PH: "Thank you."
Love_Vigilantes
PH: "Bernard's stripped down for action." (Bernard laughs)
They exchange words, which I can't make out.
Way_Of_Life
(at end)
PH: "My sound's fucked."
Lets_Go
After Let's Go, there's about 10 seconds of untitled guitar work
before Lonesome_Tonight kicks in, staring with a Hooky count-in.
Lonesome_Night follows. Right before is a bit of what sounds
like 'Sweet Jane' by VU.
This_Time_Of_Night
BS: "Thank you very much." As he says this, the drum pattern
starts up again.
Somebody says "Hey Hooky! Dreams Never End!" (too bad Hooky's
reply was unmiked and thus impossible to pick up)
Subculture
PH: "Yo."
BS: "Thank you very much. What to do when you got itchy pubic
hairs?"
(person nearby in the audience repeats the question, a la a comedy
routine, and gets put down in response)
BS: "Pubic ha...is it your wedding by the way? Best man speech is
afterwards."
Ceremony
BS: "Okay I appreciate very nice I'm gonna be any shit [jones] tonight also
try any FUCKING drug I don't have to smoke..."
Okay, I appreciate very [?{ some of the musicianship shown tonight. Cuz
I cannot get any FUCKING drum, cuz that's why"
PH: "Right..."
BS: (coughs)
PH: "So, it's The stage ...memory..." [can't quite make this out]
BS: (laughs)
Face_Up
Bernard sings slightly differnt lyrics, which mention a
"plane on the ground". Wonder if they had any flight trouble?
lyric: "When we get old we lose our place / children coming in
your face..."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
(little girls voice blurts out 'Bernard', then guy screams, and the
girl's voice repeats 'Bernie')
BS: Fuck. (laughs) I'll clear you all the way through the set.
I always knew it was you...what?"
Song ends...Bernard says "Thank you very much. Good night."
Audience claps for encore, which they get.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much."
PH: "You have just been waiting for us to come back."
BS: "This is called...it's a new song...it's called 'I've Had A Wank
Off A Girl With A Spotty Back'".
Song finishes up...
BS: "And the girl who gave me the wank is also playing the drum
machine over there."
Atmosphere
NO airs the Joy Division song...only date during that part of the
tour they played that song. Bernard laughs after finishing the
verses.
I also posted the following to the Ceremony list, in response to
"N21":
> > From: "N21"
Setlist (http://www.neworderonline.com/Live/Concert.aspx?ConcertID=594)
Source is from a CD mailed to me by GaoBest, as he has a thing for the
'87 Australian tour.
To quote GaoBest: "All first gen from D6 & ECM929LT masters, from master
cassette>cassette (XL2s) to DAT>CDR>itunes. I got them in 1994/1995 on
Maxell XL2s brand tapes. They sound really fucking good." He's not
kidding, this is generally a nice-sounding concert.
The pre-gig music for this one is pretty strange. Sounds very Viking and
gallopy. I've been since informed by Deron Pease that:
"The intro music to 2-4-87, also pre-encore to 2-6-87, and to 2-7-87
is "(Theme From) Rawhide" - and it sounds like its the straight-up
version by The Blues Brothers."
About a minute or so through this, New Order come on and take the stage.
BS: "Hello, we're New Order. If the bouncers there, we can probably
get a few more in here." I presume he's talking about more fans, not
more bouncers.
Always liked Paradise as a good first song. Taper adjusts volume
upwards once New Order start playing.
Dirty lyric alert. "When I looked in your pubic hair, I saw you
everywhere". It even rhymes, heh. You can hear some punter make his
fustration known regarding what Barney's on about.
BS: "Thank you very much....C'mon get this mike stand, Eddy. Get
this mike stand." A couple of chords strummed.
NO then play Shellshock. A bit of a gap, you can here somebody
call out 'Ceremony!', which they play. The band next perform
Your_Silent_Face can hear Bernard flub a line (the one before
"a path we cannot take") beneath all the bass feedback. And then,
Leave_Me_Alone, with a beautifully sloppy guitar intro. I adore
the phrasing on "you get these words wrong..." in their performances
during this era. A couple electric guitar chord strums...and then
another electronic one, this time, Angel_Dust. Then we hear 'Let's
Go-esque' riffing...into yet another disco tune, Subculture. Followed
by a plaintively passionate vocal for The_Village, including this
classic:
"We're in the money now
Our love is like the powers
The song concludes in some VU-style riffing, which goes on for about
15-20 seconds. I'd like some help in pinning this down.
Weirdo: Another one with a lock without a fucking key, repeated for good
measure. This song is underrated, at least by my account.
Here the first side ends.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle starts up with bass feedback. About 15 and 30
seconds into the song, there's what sound like dropouts. GaoBest says
that's a phasing problem with his tape, not the master.
The outro is also strummed through, and true to form, another dance song,
Confusion, follows. The sound is a bit dodgy through this one.
And just like that New Order decide they are done.
BS: "Thank you, good night."
The "Viking theme" or whatever its called then can be heard over the PA.
It continues for a while (well over five minutes) before the band get back
on.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much, this is a new song, erm, we've never played before,
so you have to bear with us. (bass notes) It's called Touched By The Hand
Of God." And then...probably in response to the rabid songcallers...
Bernard starts to mock them:
BS: "We can't play any Joy Division songs cuz the singer's dead!"
(plenty of time to do that later, it turns out...
As one might expect, this sounds like the soundtrack (original) release,
but is surprisingly well-formed considering that this is only the fourth
time New Order had performed this. Of course, that's not what Barney
said, but hey, we'll let it slide...
New Order segue right into Sister_Ray. This version sounds slightly
more coherent than the scratch vocals that often get laid down.
Otherwise, it's the strumpet of cachophony and chaos we all know and
enjoy, the drums slow down near the end, even!
The PA then blares Echo's Rescue, loud enough to be mistaken for
New Order suddenly learning a new song...and then the tape cuts out.
Source is from a CD mailed to me by GaoBest, as he has a thing for the
'87 Australian tour.
There was some confusion about the venue names for the 870206 and 870207
gigs:
> Mike advertised as:
> Waterrat's page is slightly different:
> 870206 - Roxy - Brisbane, Australia
GaoBest replied:
"That's right - it is the Roxy. But Feb 7 '87 is the correct date for
Roxy (Brisbane).
Surfer's Paradise and Gold Coast seem to interchange on venue name.
It's hard to explain or understand why. But most old-school NO
tapers/traders have gone by Surfer's Paradise as the CITY name.
From what the taper told me, it's basically a resort type of city."
To also quote GaoBest: "All first gen from D6 & ECM929LT masters, from master
cassette>cassette (XL2s) to DAT>CDR>itunes. I got them in 1994/1995 on
Maxell XL2s brand tapes. They sound really fucking good."
Setlist:
Blue Monday, Love Vigilantes, Let's Go, This Time Of Night,
Every Little Counts, Way Of Life, Subculture, Perfect Kiss, Sunrise,
Face Up, Temptation (encore) Do The Ostrich
Blue_Monday
BS: "Hallo [mumbled], we're New Order, and this is Blue Monday...1-2-3-4."
The sequencers inexplicably fire up again after the song closes up,
so we get the first few seconds again.
BS: "Thanks you very much, thank you very much, you're great."
Love_Vigilantes
Guitars are strummed and melodicas are blown in preperation.
BS: "This is, eh..."
PH: "...you got while the QX1 loads..." (the first two words I'm not
100% sure about)
BS: "Thank you very much."
Lets_Go
The instrumental version.
PH: "...who is this? I dunno, who is he?", followed by a pause, and
"play with us for a hundred", it sound like. There's a bit of random
guitar noodling before the group get into "This Time Of Night", a pretty
good rendition.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Every_Little_Counts and Way_Of_Life follow.
PH: "You don't have to like the surfers next to her, ok?...any more?"
Percussion for next song accidentally triggers.
PH: "You gotta remember, there we had a lot of trouble remembering
this one...fucking A."
BS: "We're getting our percussion."
Guitar riff...
PH: "This is Bernard on guitar. Whoa!"
Subculture
Lovely riffing. Flat vocals. :)
BS: "Thanks very much, Steve. Just pressed for speed here. Ehh,
thank you."
The_Perfect_Kiss
Unfortunately, this is tracksplit between sides A and B, so we probably
lose a few seconds.
Sunrise, Face_Up, and Temptation follow.
The "(Theme From) Rawhide" that preceded the 870204 gig can be heard in
full (pretty much)..."Rolling, rolling, rolling...". The next tune's a
pretty slow one..."Oklahoma". The Order are taking their sweet time
coming back on, as it's been six plus minutes...but they eventually
appear back on to perform...Do_The_Ostrich!
To hear the original version, (Lou Reed and the Primitives) check out:
http://www.spearedpeanut.com/prevutracks/ostrich.ram
The lyrics (for the original):
http://www.neworderonline.com/song.asp?song_id=78
New Order's version has no vocal resemblence to that, by the way, save
for the chorus.
Great solo in this. The drumbeats also speed up near the end, a la
Sister Ray.
You told me I was no good for you
You said,
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
(slow down for this one)
You told me that I was a cough(?)
I told you that I could...
Do the ostrich!
You told me that I was no good
(start getting up)
You told me that I was no good
You said,
Do the ostrich, baby!
Outro: BAD 'Medicine Show' (faded out after a few seconds)
Source is from a CD mailed to me by GaoBest, as he has a thing for the
'87 Australian tour. Originally from a tape marked '5-9-87 David Patterson'
To quote GaoBest: "All first gen from D6 & ECM929LT masters, from master
cassette>cassette (XL2s) to DAT>CDR>itunes. I got them in 1994/1995 on
Maxell XL2s brand tapes. They sound really fucking good."
This is another one that has its levels a bit high, so there's some
clipping. Incomplete, as the taper started midway during "Shellshock".
Here's GaoBest's capsule review:
"Finally giving a close listen to this gig - what a setlist - it includes
586, Thieves Like Us, Dreams Never End... wowza. Not to mention the Sister
Ray encore (only song of the encore) - and a brilliant BLT with Barney
almost sounding angry and aggressive (because it sounds like the sound
engineer lowered his mic levels by accident during the verse before the
second chorus!)... then seguing to Weirdo.
I'm so impressed. I've copied it (this gig) for quite a few of you on
this list, so I hope you hear and enjoy this little tidbit :-)"
He is right, this is an amazing performance of a great selection from
their canon. I mean, how many other concerts open up with Shellshock?
Setlist:
Shellshock. 5-8-6, Dreams Never End, Age Of Consent, Your Silent Face,
Angel Dust, Thieves Like Us, Bizarre Love Triangle, Weirdo, Face Up,
Ceremony (encore) Sister Ray
Shellshock commences during mid-verse, apparently the taper got there
late.
BS: "I've been good and I've been bad, but a decent mikestand I've
never had...". This gets repeated again in a later verse, with "No
matter how I try and try, I can't get this mikestand high".
It sounds like they're singing backup vocals to taped vocals
near the end. Odd.
The band then perform a blistering version of _586_, with appropriate
whoops and very impassioned vocals. A fairly long pause between this
song and the next one, the taper stops the tape (makes the
characteristic sound).
Dreams_Never_End
Starts out with monstrous bass notes, and keeps up in intensity.
At the end of the first verse, Hooky messes up, and accidentally
(partially) substitues the first line of the second verse.
PH: "..There no...nothing...all right, they cannot believe this sight."
One of the best moments in New Order is when Hooky yells "Hello,
farewell to your...SOOOOUUULLL!!!", which you get a taste of here.
Age_Of_Consent
Another spine-tingling moment in New Order is hearing the guitar
feedback when Sumner plays his solo. Not heard here, though, but
still a satisfying version.
Your_Silent_Face
Another message for the sound mixer.
BS: "You've caught me at a bad time, so why you turn the drum machine
down?". (Don't think it ever got turned down) The song ends in a
series of guitar riffs. You can barely hear someone (don't know
who) say something like "Don't be moderate."
NO then segue into Angel_Dust, and then into Thieves_Like_Us.
I guess the sound mixer forgot to turn Barney's mic up, so he's hard to
hear until the chorus.
PH: "Uh, I only drink [swamp?] mate".
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
As GaoBest reported, they turn the mics down on Barney right after the
words "I feel...", and then he screams "There's no sense in telling me",
and as the volume pans up again, declaims "the wisdom of you fuckers won't
set you free." The mic cuts on him again while he sings the chorus, but
he doesn't try to fight it. New Order don't quite seque into Weirdo,
there's definitely a slight pause between the two songs."
Weirdo
BS: "Just like a lock without a big, fat key." Then he gets with the
program and substitues "fucking" in the second chorus, and starts
repeating the F-word over and over in the third. The best part is
when he starts imploring everyone to speed up: "just like a...faster,
faster, faster, faster!"
Side A/B change...
Face_Up
BS: "[mumble] you [got?] that fucking amp, I'll blow you all up..."
This song often gets short shrift in the canon, but as you can hear,
it's not much off the level of all their other classics. Speaking of
which, New Order then close out with Ceremony.
We're then treated to the same pre-encore tracks as on 06 FEB 1987,
except that the punters are kept waiting a whole ten minutes. Some
chanting by audience members can be heard while the Viking theme or
whatever its called drones on, and somebody can be heard to yell out
really loudly for New Order. The third song is pretty dire, "Something's
gotten into my..." but it's turned down as the Order step back on stage
and Hooky attacks his bass for the start of Sister_Ray.
The lyrics are pretty frentic but aren't too much different than what
I've heard in other versions, except I heard "I could fuck your body"
or something like that. However, this is killer musically, probably
second to the '88 Brazil version. And a bit more from the interstital
until the taper shuts down.
Tape this is on is labelled a "Soundcheck", but it appears to
have been the gig instead. I'm thinking the tapes got switched,
one day I'll locate the "gig" case and see if it has the
soundcheck in it.
GaoBest has the soundcheck (what doesn't he have, anyway?) :-)
> From: GaoBest
He later added:
> New Order played at Byron Bay on Feb 9. But this show was taped by a
> Brit (UKBT - same who taped 7-20-83 Fac 51, and 7-18-01
> Liverpool, and a zillion inbetween) who was in Australia on visa.
> Although I have this on CDR, it isn't "itunes-ready" so it's going t
> o take awhile before I put it out there - but the Byron Bay show is
> really phenomenal. It's possibly the best show of that tour, aside
> from the Perth gigs. I've always fantasized that New Order played
> their best when they were playing in the weirdest corners of the world
> (Dundee, Scotland is another example). You can't get much more obscure
> than Perth (Super-South-West of Australia) and Byron Bay...
The sound, as documented in the 'liner notes'...cuts in and out a lot.
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "Thanks a lot, we're New Order."
Sound is pretty dodgy through this one.
For instance, the cowbell is mixed really high when it first makes
its appearance.
BS: "one two...vocals are hopeless..."
Paradise sounds particularly shambolic here. Shambolic, and sublime.
A few small dropouts between these tracks that are on my better
(presumably later) copy than on the one from GaoBest.
Way_Of_Life
Bernard starts yelling very loud into the mic, as they're still having
monitor problems. Very distinct bass solo during the bridge, and
Bernard mutters something before laying down his solo.
Ceremony opens up to the guitar lines echoing back in feedback.
Female punter says "yay" at its arrival.
It has the refrain guitar line that appears in that song at around
that time.
Every_Little_Counts
Incorporating his gripes about vocals in the lyrics:
Every second counts/
The vocals sound so cool(?)/
...
Do do do di dododoco
DOH DOH (much louder) :-)
All_Day_Long
They segue right into this underappreciated classic.
Still issues with the vocals....Bernard is even more out of
tune than he typically is wont to be.
BS: "He used to scream and SHOUT..."
Subculture
I always try/
They make some apparently self-disparaging statements after Subculture
finishes up.
BS: "How was that? Everybody wants to know if we're gonna get the fuck
out of here?"
PH: "This isn't doing better...it makes the bulge(?) my eyes(?)."
(can't quote make out what Hooky's saying...he's probably talking to
a roadie or something)
Somebody cry out for Everything's Gone Green.
Shellshock
"What was that, pick Shellshock? My God, let's play Shellshock, everybody!
Fuck off, they say."
Oddly enough, this is a very good version, with a nice Hooky solo,
except the sound cuts out halfway, I presume the levels got accidentally
adjusted.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
During the break (before the chorus)
BS: "We're not fucking playing anything, Andy!"
A couple of tom-toms bang, then Age Of Consent kicks in.
And then Temptation...slightly tinged with feedback, but not bad,
not bad.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Still sounding pretty new...has a arpeggiator filter effect running
through part of the first verse.
At the end of the second verse, Barney says "Turn the drums up, Oz".
And then he does some funny swish sound...I was touched
Some man's voice talking about natural colors and texturs plays over
the pre-encore intermission, and then some other stuff...before they
get back into the swing of things with...Blue_Monday.
Feedback squalls as Barney's vocals come in. There's some interesting
guitar interplay in this version, too.
Then the Viking song or whatever it is comes on, and the crowd starts
clapping, etc....there's a couple of edits to (of course) to save on
tape...and as some country song comes on, Hooky's bass comes storming
in, drowning the backing music.
PH: "Ah, I was enjoying that!" Somebody inexplicably calls out for
Elegia.
Weirdo
A pretty fast-tempoed version. Barney starts shouting, -screaming- the
vocals. "So I got this canopy..." Odd how Monaco's Under The Stars so
heavily borrows from this song?
"Just like a lock with a fucking key!" makes its appearance in the
vocals.
"THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GOOD NIGHT!" Hooky noodles on bass as the
concert draws to an end, playing a bit of Do The Ostrich, it sounds
like.
Soundcheck
Instrumental version of State_Of_The_Nation followed by
somebody calling out something for Face Up (not played here), and
some drum soundchecking. This is follwod by an instrumental
verison of Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God, and then
Elegia, followed by Subculture (instrumental).
Hooky then does some one-two'ing, and then engages in some random
conversation.
PH: "Ooh, you are bitter when you're staring deportation in the
face." (he may have been talking to the taper)
and
PH: "Get yourself a shock absorber, right..."
If you listen carefully, you can hear the bassline to _24__Hours
too.
PH: "I just like to say 'I told you so' before you start...with
the foldback on...with the ears on the desk...
Starts off with Hooky noodling, basslines to Lonesome_Tonight
and Age_Of_Consent.
You can hear somebody remark that their seating is upstairs in the
venue.
Then a full instrumental version of Sooner_Than_You_Think,
with Hooky improvising the bassline towards the end.
Bits of Sister_Ray (bass) and Lets_Go (guitar).
A couple of false starts for All_Day__Long, and then a complete
vocal take.
About third/fourth generation, audience tape.
Some unidentified song finishes up as NO take the stage...
Intro to Paradise:
BS: "Thank you very much. (Told you to) turn that light off last time,
you bleeding K."
Shellshock
"No matter how I try and try/
This_Time_Of_Night
"Without you/My big fat sow"
After Sunrise:
"Don't want any fucking live sounding, y'all" (?)
Blue_Monday
Bernard plays his guitar through the beginning of the song,
a la other performances of this song at around this time.
Ceremony
Unusual spoken word interlude in the middle of the song.
The effect is chilling.
"Nobody knows...yes, forever. Forever, where beauty grows."
"Oh yes, forever. Oh, nobody knows, no one."
Also, different ending than normal.
(followed by terrible background music...'Delilah'...then some
hokey C&W song...NO come back on, tape joins BS in progress
(the first part of his speech is cut off):
BS: "...smacked up on drugs...Mark it down(?)...Mark it down(?)
As_It_Was_When_It_Was features this amusing couplet:
('blondes' could be 'blokes' or 'bloods' in Bernard's brogue)
"But I always thought
BS: "Thank you very much, indeed."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle starts.
"More sequencers, Ed."
Snatch of "What's New Pussycat" can be heard before recording ends.
Looks like the setlist on the Gigography is missing a few tunes:
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:22:04 EDT
hey kids i know there's been some discussion comparing new order concert
setlists, and here's probably the best example of how new order could do
two gigs night after night and do almost completely different stuff so that
if you went to both shows, you'd have killer variety, which just doesn't
happen anymore. That said, I don't have the 2-11-87 or 2-14-87 (both
Sydney, but that Hotel and Selina's venues instead) setlist handy to
further compare, even though I have the tapes somewhere. Who knows,
maybe 2-11 and 2-14 are reverse of 2-12 and 2-13.
both gigs the enmore theatre, sydney; taped by at least two different
tapers [ed note: one was UKBT who also did Byron Bay and the 13 FEB 87
gig among many others, the other was a native Aussie]
2-12-87
(*) not listed in the summary listing, at least as of this writing
3rd gen soundboard tape(?)
The version I have of 2/12 is definitely an audience tape.
nogig update alert:
State_Of_The_Nation
BS: "Thank you very much. This is State of the Nation."
Way_Of_Life
BS: "Thank you very much. Apparently that was for who don't get out of
[ears]? anymore."
Weirdo
BS: "Thank you very much. This is Weirdo."
"Just like a lock without a FUCKING key." (in every occurance in the song)
Subculture
BS: "Thank you very much."
Hooky plays the riff to "My Girl" at the end.
PH: "Ready?"
Face_Up
BS: (responding to Hooky) "Aye, [B'jean]"
Between verses, it sounds like he says, "In the earhole, yet".
The chorus becomes, "Oh how I cannot bear these reggae beats."
Temptation
A bit of buzzing/static at start. (CH tape copy)
Hooky mutters something, perhaps directed to the sound guy.
(weird pre-encore music, edited)
The_Perfect_Kiss
Some buzzing/static at start, and right after Bernard sings
"The perfect kiss is the kiss of death", as well as a few seconds
before the frogs sound, as well as through Hooky's final solo.
(CH tape only, so this is not a problem with the master, just
my copy)
pre-encore music starts with "Rawhide"...the taper stops
a few times through the few songs that are played before
NO come back on.
Love_Vigilantes
BS: "Doing an encore, and it...there are some in the last...Selena's
in Coogee Bay tonight if want(ed) to come...somebody asked for Love
Vigilantes so, we're gonna play it."
Bernard yells out what sound like instructions to the sound engineer.
lyric: "I want to see my family...my BIG DICK hanging past my knee..."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much. If you all chuck $20 on the stage, we'll play
another one."
Minor tape garble (CH version) at the "the way we used to be" line.
(after song finishes)
BS: "Thank you very much. Good night, God Bless, and drive carefully
on your way home. If you all throw $20 on the stage, we'll come back on,
or even $10."
(I guess people ran out of cash, cuz this is the last song they played,
at least on my tape)
Looks like the setlist on the Gigography is missing a few tunes:
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:22:04 EDT
hey kids i know there's been some discussion comparing new order concert
setlists, and here's probably the best example of how new order could do
two gigs night after night and do almost completely different stuff so that
if you went to both shows, you'd have killer variety, which just doesn't
happen anymore. That said, I don't have the 2-11-87 or 2-14-87 (both
Sydney, but that Hotel and Selina's venues instead) setlist handy to
further compare, even though I have the tapes somewhere. Who knows,
maybe 2-11 and 2-14 are reverse of 2-12 and 2-13.
[ed note: one was UKBT from the UK who also did Byron Bay and the
12 FEB 87 gig among many others, the other was a native Aussie]
both gigs the enmore theatre, sydney; taped by at least two different
tapers
2-13-87
Only blt and temptation were played both nights; otherwise all other
songs in the sets were unique per night.
(see http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs87.html#NO-870212)
hope this is interesting to someone, but oh well.
x
(*) not listed in the summary listing, at least as of this writing
(**) different track variation
From James Thomas:
The ostrich was introduced as "Come on you bastard after this little
cunt here in front of me".
The CH version doesn't include the first track, which is
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of__God.
Ceremony
Hooky's bass sound is a bit odd here, and throughout.
Dreams_Never_End follows.
Ends with Hooky doing a slow coda.
Confusion
BS: "Thank you, Donas(?)....this is, eh...erm, Confusion."
(at end)
Every_Little_Counts
BS: "Your Silent Night..."
Bernard starts sing-speaking "Take a walk on the wild side"...
'Sputnick' ending.
BS: "Turn the lights up Andy! Please."
As_It_Is_When_It_Was
_586_
Hooky calls out, "Ready?"
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "I was trying to think of somebody's that shoutin' out,
aren't ya? Where? How about, 'Fuck off'?
Cut between BLT and Sunrise on CH tape.
lyric: "Giving the gift, you know what the fuck it's gonna be..."
Another cut between songs on CH tape.
Age_Of_Consent
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much. I'm sure all will work out all right...
in the end."
Blue_Monday
BS: "Shut your gob fuckface, shut your gob fuckface. [repeats on
CH, but not on the UKBT]. Go and tell him I want to hear you talk
cuz you're near me dick."
Venue music plays briefly. NO come back on for an encore.
Do_The_Ostrich
BS: "Thank you very much. We're going to write a song here on stage.
It's called, "Blow Me, You Bastard....after this little cunt in front
of me."
This differs slightly from what was reported.
BS: "Actually, the step I feel will be "Temptation"."
At this point the jam segues into Sister_Ray. This is unique to
this performance, I don't think they ever did this any other time.
Featuring rhymes that were made up on the spot.
Temptation
Has a fairly aggressive guitar attack lead to bridge this from the
previous song.
BS: "I thank you profusely."
Many thanks to GaoBest for supplying a copy of this performance,
which the taper eventually also made available on EZT.
Lots of audience noise, not so much annoying random chatter as just
hearing their presense, which is a good thing. Quality is excellent.
The band sound like they're really pumped full of drugs, as the vocals
are really, really good.
TJ lists:
Songs played were:
Elegia
(encore)
Plenty of pre-gig warmup music as members of the audience whistle and
then cheer as New Order step onto the stage.
Elegia
BS: "Thank you very much. What are we doing next?"
The groop play Elegia and then pickup the NRG with BLT.
Hooky mutters something (off-mic, so it's almost inaudible)
after the first verse. Ends in whistles and cheers.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much. This is a new song, it's called 'Touched By
The Hand Of God'
First chorus has a couple bum notes by the Hookster, but otherwise
a neat version.
BS: "Thank you very much. Hi, Andy, need a bit of light...to play this
tricky guitar."
New Order than play Angel_Dust, and then Your_Silent_Face.
Lots of guitar thrash in this one, also like this particular "you don't
you Piss Off".
BS: (slurring really badly) "Thanks a lot."
And then, Love_Vigilantes. Another outstanding performance.
BS: "Thanks a million."
And then NO do one that always seem to get a bit shortchanged, Shellshock.
A "victim of the state I'm in" instead of a "victim of your evil sin".
They keyboard accompaniment is very high in the mix (as it was on Angel
Dust), the band rock out a bit during the bridge, and there's some guitar
noodling at the end.
A long pause before they commence with Weirdo, "just like a lock without
a fucking key", and Broken Promise "if i'm right and you are sin for sale
than for god's sake i was wrong!". No shave and a haircut, though.
Side One ends
Side Two begins with Everythings_Gone_Green, a song which they
stopped playing later that year. Very neat effect where Barney's
"Show me" echo-blends into the sequencing.
BS: "Thank you very much. I'd try to think of something witty to
say, but I'm not very witty, unfortunately."
For anybody who's ever listened to an unabridged New Order performance,
they'd appreciate the wit behind this statement.
Face_Up
As throughout, Barney seems to be singing really well. At the end,
somebody yells for Blue Monday, he's not going to get his wish.
Then the band rip into Age_Of_Consent.
BS: "Thank you, good night!"
Pre-gig music is (Theme From) Rawhide by The Blues Bros. Continues
for a few minutes before the tape edit. Then an opera-y one and
a country one, by which time NO come back on stage for the encore.
Barney says something that I can't make out right when the group
get into Subculture. There's a weird cold-frost synth sound before
the first verse.
lyric: "You realize that you can't shaft with nobody else."
BS: "Thank you, people of Sydney, thank you. I say, don't believe
what you hear, we are a bunch of 'orrible bastards."
Then The_Perfect_Kiss to close things out.
BS: "Thanks a lot". Song ends on the same sample that's present in
Stockholm Monsters' "Kan Kill". Well, it really ends on some drawn
out synth note. I guess at this point the lights go up and you can
hear some more silly backing music, which I can't ID.
All in all, a very impressive performance.
Many thanks to GaoBest for supplying a copy of this performance.
Sounds a couple of generations away from the master...
We're treated to the Funeral For A Viking intro for a few
minutes before the band step on stage. A few people start
to chant.
Lets_Go
GaoBest says that the unknown instrumental listed as the first
track is actually "Let's Go" (it was listed as unknown at one
time on Waterrat's site, but has since been amended). What's
neat is that the 'Prepare a funeral for a viking' vocal can
be heard right when the band start playing Let's Go, so it
sounds like a sample!
Paradise
BS: "Thanks very much. There was no singing in that song,
to be sure, there is in this one.
A bit of guitar and hooky saying something I can't quite make
out before NO play Way Of Life.
Hooky stars out Way_Of_Life with a 1-2-3-4 intro.
Ceremony
BS: "Thank you very much...we're going to play an old songs now, called
Ceremony. Because, very few people are calling for it in the audience in
the front."
BS: "Thank you, Arthur."
And then New Order play one of my all time favorites, All_Day_Long,
which features an opening drum pattern different than the recorded
version. And then, This_Time_Of_Night aka Pumped Full Of Drugs,
after that State_Of_The_Nation.
BS: "I don't kiss when the bass sequencer's around" :-)
After that, NO do the riff/melody which typically intros Subculture.
Afterwards, Bernard comments about the excessive boominess of the sound.
BS: "Thank you very much. Woo! Yeah, they're ripping off our vocals,
lads. Woo! Sounds Like Big Ben Woo! Eh..."
Then comes Bizarre_Love_Triangle, after which the taper hits stop.
Sunrise follows, and then Temptation. I'm a bit too lazy to closely
comment, but there are some interesting things going on, including
the "last fucking time" variant in Temptation.
PH: "Thank you very much, good night."
BS: "Thank you very much!"
The pre-encore interstital's not one I've heard before. Would be
good to get an ID. It's sung in French (female breathy vocals).
And then there's another one, which I'm not listening closely
too...except at a couple points you can hear beeping. The third
song is "Rhymin' and Stealin'" by the Beastie Boys, which is turned
down as NO take the stage again, and play Every Little Counts.
Afterwards there's some riffing that sounds like Sister Ray.
Barney says "[unintelligible]...up there", and play Broken_Promise
instead. The phrasing on "If I'm right and you are simply dead,
FOR...GOD'S...SAKE I...WAS...WRONG, woo!" and elsewhere is a
highlight.
The tape that I used for the original writeup was listed as fourth
generation. Indeed it's very hissy and leaden...However, since that
time, I have procured two other copies of this one (from GaoBest and
from the New Order Anthologies compiled by Lars Nellemann) and they
not only have much better SQ, but both sound different than the copy
I originally did the writeup for. Yes, no less than 3 different people
taped this gig. And I've also gotten a better copy of this fourth
generation source, one that is about third generation, but is copied
better, though it has bad channel dropouts though much of it, probably
due to a bad tape along the line.
The original tape's cover has '84-85 era picture of the band...Gilbert
and Sumner are looking skyward, and Hooky, wearing one of his wacky
T-shirts ("The Land The..." "You Go To Heaven..." anybody know the
full message?), is facing right, snarling. Morris is also facing right.
A couple seconds of intro music can be heard before the band take
the stage. Overall, the Order don't talk much during this performance.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Love_Vigilantes
There a snippet of guitar strum and melodica before New Order perform
this tune.
BS: "Thank you very much."
The Anthology version (taped by AR) has somebody yelling out
"Fucking brilliant", a spot-on observiation if I've ever heard one.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
You can hear some scratching about 4 minutes in as the taper gets
interrupted by a woman, presumably someone he knows. (This is
on the archive tape copy)
Taper: "Hi..."
Woman: "Hi......have you...have you got free tickets to go up the
steps."
Taper: "I'm taping at the moment...hang on then...Okay, we're gonna..."
Woman: "Have you got free tickets to go upstairs?"
Taper: (stammers) "Yeah. That's where I'm going..."
(Anthology version) More scuffling is heard as BLT ends, and a punter can
be heard on one of the tapes crying out "Ceremony, you bastards!...Ceremony...
LISTEN TO ME! Subculture!"
Dreams_Never_End (yes, they are still playing this one in 1987)
is next up.
The taper goes to find someone to hold his hear while he helps his lady friend.
Man: "Yeah."
Taper: "How are you?
Man: [unintelligable]
Woman: "That's right" (giggles)
Man: "...come out here...How much...will we spend...brings you up
here..."
Man: "Anyway...How are you?"
Taper: "Ok"
Voice: "Nah, I'm going back."
Man: "Is it on?
Taper: "Wha?"
Man: "Is it on?"
Taper: "Yeah"
Hooky puts great effort in leaving the world to your SOOOUL!
The GaoBest source has a hard break between DNE and AD, not present
on the other two. Oh the Anthologies version, the scraming punter who
previously cried out for Ceremony now cries "Temptation!".
Angel_Dust is played, and it neatly segues into Lonesome_Tonight.
This sounds different:
BS: "I'm there when you go home/I'm not going in alone"(?)
and:
Barney Says:
"Do you believe in lies?
Bernard plays a two note riff for 10-15 seconds to start out
Thieves_Like_Us, in an abbreviated 4 minute version. The GaoBest
version has a chick asking somone, "You see them much?". A couple of
pops can be be heard in the intro (GaoBest).
Barney Says:
"Watch your life
BS: "Thank you very much." There's a couple more clicks in the GaoBest
version in between this and the next song. Another cry for "Temptation"
on the Anthologies version.
Paradise
A very popular choice down under. The vocals are exceptional, with a
highlight being the final "I nee...eed you".
Ceremony
Finally, let's shut all the punters up! On the GaoBest copy, there's
some scuffling a few seconds in, sounds like that was introduced
in the recording.
The tape archive copy has a drop out in the tape that I have right
before Bernard starts singing, which is not present in the others.
BS: "Forever...letting me know...shhh...."
Barney Says:
BS: "Thank you. How about changing lights a bit Andy, I'm going blind in
one eye, eh..."
(on GaoBest tape)
man: "C'mon stand back here"
lady: "Maybe I'll stand by...[can't make out]"
PH: "Go give it a rest."
_586_
On the GaoBest copy, about midway through the volume shoots up and with
it, the intensity of the performance. Wow.
There's a edit between _586_ and Everythings_Gone_Green on the
archive tape copy as well as the Anthologies version.
I love the repeated "show ME" line in that tune, and the echo effects.
An amazing performance!
On the original tape copy, the first couple of bars of The_Perfect_Kiss
get left off. This version is about nine and a half minutes long.
There's another edit, as the Viking theme music segues into what
sounds like a Tom Jones histronic soundalike singing "Delilah",
which is trimmed out as the Order take the stage to do their encore.
The GaoBest copy has some scuffling at around the 6:00 mark, probably
present on the source.
The Viking Funeral theme plays during the intermission before the
encores. You can also hear lots of stomping, chanting, and clapping,
of course. At one point the volume leves spike up...then we get
to hear the oh so lovely Delilah song, which is cut of as New Order
get back on stage.
(archive tape) Even through the tape hiss this sounds magnificient. New Order
close out with Temptation.
(GaoBest) Lets_Go starts with a fade-in. ends with a fade-out. Temptation
also starts with a fade-in. There's another "scuff" about 5:45 in.
Somebody yells some nonsense and there's more stomping through fade-out.
(anth. MP3) no fade-outs, but cold stop right at the end of Temptation.
It also includes less of the pre-encore break than the other two
versions. Lady says "keep going to the end" at the end of Let's Go.
Thanks to GaoBest for providing me a copy of this performance.
Pre-gig warmup music is the Funeral for a Viking bit.
This gig is unusual in that at various points it sounds like New Order
have brought a DJ with them. Here's some correspondence between
me and GaoBest on this point:
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 03:01:28AM -0400, GaoBest wrote:
>> I know others have heard this. So is this scratching or what? I'm so
>> fucking confused. did New Order have an onstage DJ for this show? I
>> don't "hear" any scratching for any other Feb 1987 Australia tour concerts.
>
Andrew J. Lillie has a better explanation.
> For what its worth, this "scratch" is actually just the sound of a pick
> being scraped edge-wise along a string. From the sounds of the mp3, its
> most likely a bass. So, I imagine this big mystery boils down to nothing
> more than Hooky being bored that night and screwing around making
> "scratching" sounds with his bass.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Hello everyone, we're New Order. Incorporated."
The song is played. Nothing earthshattering.
BS: "Thank you very much" (with loads of echo). "That's a new song,
it's called 'Touched By The Hand Of God'".
The group then plays Blue_Monday.
BS: "Thank you very much".
The first "scratch" can be heard between BM and The Village, it kind
of sounds like 'Are You Experienced' by Hendrix.
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New_Order-19870218-BM-TVscratch.mp3
Between The_Village (a great rendition!) and Shellshock, there's an
interesting bit of riffing that's pretty nice. Here it is:
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New_Order-19870218-TVriff.mp3
An off-mic Hooky "Go!" starts things off here.
The drumming on Leave_Me_Alone is very distinctive.
Weirdo
BS: "This is Weirdo."
Features the "lock without a fucking key" variation.
A tiny bit of twittering can be heard (this usually goes along with
the scratches) right before New Order perform Subculture. Hooky
can be heard off-mic crying out "Go!".
Midway during the first verse, Barney cries out for "sequencers!"
BS: "Hurt you a little bit...1-2!"
If you listen carefully, you can hear plenty of sequencer glitches.
A punter can be heard to say "Hold on one second, just one second."
Face_Up
A bit of a twister of a lyric:
BS: "I am you, and you are me / This world of ours, it could be sh..."
Afterwards:
BS: "Thank you, thank you. Boys, you realize, Andy, you could have
taken that job with Duran Duran or something."
A/B cut at this point.
The boys (and girl) finish out with Age_Of_Consent and Temptation,
featuring a weird Bernard vocal locution, after which, the singer says:
BS: "Thank you very much. How much was it to get in here tonight, by
the way? [pause for a few seconds while he solicits opinions]
Too much!?"
New Order perform Bizarre_Love_Triangle, and then step off the
stage so we can hear "(The Theme From) Rawhide" and something else
equally horrid (Tom Jones' "Delilah").
Your_Silent_Face
BS: "Thank you very much. It's very...very, very nice of you."
(with extra heapings of reverb/echo)
Awesome scratching effect a few seconds in, for your auditory pleasure:
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/New_Order-19870218-YSFscratch.mp3
The group finish up with The_Perfect_Kiss.
GaoBest notes that this gig is missing from Waterrat's listing.
David Gerard sent an email saying this was actually on 2-19, instead
of the listed date of 2-20, but I'm not sure if this is actually
correct, given that NO would have had to travel from Melbourne to
Perth in a day and that it contradicts with other sources.
Anyway, here we go...apparently they were having sound problems.
Tracklisting:
Paradise
(encore)
Intro music is somthing with bongos and bells in it.
Paradise
PH: "Thank you very much."
BS: "Em, if you happen to be this girln the audience called Lee...
Lee, could you kindly come backstage after the show, please. I'm
not going downstairs [can't make out, sounds like 'pulling'] for
us...leaving...to be in Australia"
(if anybody knows what this was about, please fill me in!)
They follow the robust version of Paradise with Lets_Go.
A couple of minutes in, the volume levels drop as you can
hear the following dialogue:
Punter: "What?"
Taper: "Could you get right out of the way of that please?"
Punter: "[something] get fucked."
The levels rise again just as the song finishes up
Somebody yells "Think you can run out and find that place?",
and the volume level drops for about 40 seconds or so , but
rises back by the end of song. The song ends in guitar chords.
Way_Of_Life
http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/lyrics/brotherhood/wayoflife.htm
has "If they're your offer, more are cold". I have "A failure of your
moral code." A bit of feedback during the chorus, but some very good
guitar/bass interplay.
The taper hits stop after this song, so I assume there was a long gap
between this song and the next.
Ceremony
BS: "One, two. One"
The group play Ceremony.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Then NO get right into Temptation.
BS: "Thank you very much."
We_All_Stand
BS: "Thank you very much. We're gonna go do a slow, I mean, a really
slow one called We All Stand. Andy, see the light over there? Can you
turn off, up please, or get someone to turn it off. Can't think by if...
...step on that wire over there...horrible if...special..." (hard to make
out the last sentence)
Barney repeats "on and on" more than a few times, which is different.
BS: "Thank you, thank you, I need that tuner up. Shit, that's supposed
to be shit, mate." (not sure about wording)
Hooky fiddles with his bass a bit, before the band fire off into _586_,
ending with a three-note keyboard riff, and then Angel Dust.
Another hard-to-make-out rambling:
Subculture
PH (I think): [says something off-mic]
BS: "I don't know, it's just that his smile when I spotted him,
little creep...you can suck all our own crew off after the gig...
smile...is this..."
Hooky yells out for more bass during the first chorus. Vocals very good
here...and then, in an effect I've never heard before, they speed up the
sequencers! Totally awesome.
Tape pauses again and you can hear a second or two of Sunrise, which
the taper misses the first minute or two from. Then the group plays
The__Perfect_Kiss, which ends in guitar and bass fiddling before the
band step out...we get about 4 minutes of encore fill music, some instrument
tuning, and then Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart, ending in a bass scale.
And then, Do_The_Ostrich! A 11 minute version, no less, with a false
stop, and ending bass solo.
The date seems in line with reality, since NO turned Australasia
end of Jan - Mid Feb 1987. David Gerard wrote in correcting
the original listing (21 FEB), which he claims was apparently a
day later than the actual performance, but I'm not sure if this
was indeed the case, since GaoBest and his source disagrees.
I only have the last part of this gig at present. I've heard
that the source tape for the first part of this show is
damaged and not available. Not the fault of the taper, the
tape itself was defective, not the recording devices.
Track Listing:
Blue Monday
NOTES:
Fidelity is excellent. I have two versions, one from GaoBest,
and the other from Brian Vick. The Vick tape sounds like it's
a first generation copy, the GaoBest second or third generation.
But if it wasn't for my big boner
Tell me, wow does it feel?
Also, Barney askes for more synthesizers about 3:20 into the tune.
BS: "Turn the synth up Ed, both synthesizers!"
One of the better renditions of the era, good funk guitar lines,
And then a fairly unusual occurance: The ending drub beats of
Blue Monday segues into In_A_Lonely_Place. This song live has
a completely different outro, with a synth sound reminiscent of
the one for "Sputnik".
The pre-encore filler music announces "Prepare a funeral for a Viking"
moody interlude soundtrack stuff...then a mercifully brief "Gimme Some
Lovin'" by the Blues Brothers before New Order take the stage again.
Intro to Elegia has Bernard spouting out this classic:
BS: "Sorry about that, we all had to go get some heroin. Oh, I'm
joking, oh I'm joking! Cuz remember, Drugs are bad for you."
Sister_Ray is chock full of improvised profanity, like "who the fuck
is Sister Ray?", "Sister Ray said I love you, she was so fucking boring,
all she said was "I love you", and "Because I can't think of any more shit
lyrics!" being the most memorable.
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/redparrot.html has the songs,
if you want like to listen.
And after all these years, the full setlist has been revealed,
courtesy of MDMArchive:
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1627
--Sam
Source are MP3s in the Miscellaneous directory on Anthology Part One
(Ceremony, Atmosphere, Do The Ostrich), and more recently, a CD
(excellent quality) from Solitude (all tracks). Both appear to
be from different cassette masters.
Corrections courtesy of Shug (NOOL).
Ceremony
(from the CD source, off the excellent audience master)
Announcer can be heard saying "..ers who came here", obscured by
distortion caused by clipping. There's a brief edit, and then
the announcer says: "Go home, because it's New Order!"
(from the MP3 source, likely taken from an audience tape, which
is in all likelihood different than the one the CD was made from)
Somebody's talking through the announcement, but shuts up once
the music starts.
Announcer: "You wankers who came to hear acoustic music, go home.
Because it's New Order!"
New Order play the tune straight through.
BS: "Thank you very much".
After the song is over, Bernard says "You know..." (the rest is
likely on the subsequent track, which I don't have)
This part is cut from the CD version it seems.
Paradise
About a minute in, something fairly rare happens...the drumming
goes off-kilter. The audio cuts out for about a second or two at
the 1:26 mark.
BS: "Thank you very much".
Shellshock
Female punter asks "Barnsicle, what was that, what was that?".
Someone answers, "I don't know". All I can make out after that
is the same female punter saying "...was shit compared to the
gigs..." and "let me just listen...". This is while the Order
take 20 seconds to tune instruments and such. (Solitude)
Bass sequencer and percussion is very high in the mix here,
there's clipping at a few points.
lyric: "A victim of the state I'm in" (instead of "evil sin")
The "extra verse" comes in within the first couple of minutes.
The ending features a bit of guitar and somebody bumping into
the mic.
Way_Of_Life
A mic bump at 3:13. (Solitude)
Your_Silent_Face
BS: "Thank you very much. This is, eh, this is the first time we've
played in this part of London, and er, I think I understand why, really."
Greeted with a bit of cheering.
Everybody yells out "PISS OFF".
Barney tunes up a bit.
Every_Second_Counts
Starts with feedback. Everybody's singing along.
During the middle of the song, Bernard does a count-up in a falsetto
voice.
Subculture
BS: "Thank you. That was for the more sensitive ones in the audience,
now this one's for all the ones who shout a lot. There's nothing wrong
with shouting."
Another long gap. Gillian hits a keyboard note. One of the punters
mentions her name. (Solitude)
Face_Up
BS: "I'll tell a joke, I'll tell a joke. After this song."
At about the 2:15 mark, Barney makes a comment.
BS: "You were singing in that key during(?) the improvisation.
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck! Missed it."
The word "disgrace" is screamed out.
BS: "Thank...". Tape cuts out, A/B change.
Another version of the tape preserves what he said:
BS: "Yes, thanks very much, I always thought I was witty instead of being a
pissed up twat.
(addition courtesy of Steve Campbell, NOOL, though Shug recalls it was
'pissed up bastard', and was said after KW1)
Temptation
BS: "And we wish...and we wish we were witty instead of being a
[sounds like: mitten, he trips over his tongue here]. Yes, thank
you very much, thank you very much. I wish I was witty instead of
being a pissed-up bastard."
After it's over:
BS: "Thank you, thank you."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
Someone squeals when this starts up.
Sunrise
BS: "Thank you, this is the last song, er, that we're gonna play.
In the set...but OF COURSE we'll do an encore!"
You can hear punters asking what he said and relaying it to others.
Break in the tape.
Atmosphere
BS: "Thank you very much."
A pretty spare rendition.
The Solitude CD version has some talking 0:50 - 1:05 in.
One punter was not impressed, and after they were done, shouted out
"Fucking sacrilege!".
Do_The_Ostrich
Third performance in a total of five of this Lou Reed classic.
Bernard's improvises lyrics in a comparable manner to what he
does to Sister Ray, but maybe he's more faithful on this tune
(I haven't heard the original to comment accurately)
Some notables lines:
lyric: "You told me that I was such a great surfer." and
"There are no ostriches left on this earth."
Some shouting between a guy and girl between 7:50 and 8:20.
Cut out at about 9:09.
Taken from the Academy video, which I have an mpeg copy of. Quite
good sound here.
Also have three seperate audience sources, one taped by Simon Park,
the other of unknown origin, and third seeded by davemings on EZT.
The first two have OK sound, but obviously the sound from the video
is superior. SPs runs a bit fast, my archives version runs a bit slow.
The third version is the best extant audience version and runs at
the right speed.
The Park copy has the "Funeral For A Viking" opening as well as the
announcer's introduction. The others are missing this.
Announcer: "You probably came down with them, all the way from
Manchester, England, New Order!"
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Loud fan applause and cheering throughout.
BS: "Thank you very much....how about a guitar, lads?...This is a
new song, it's called Touched By The Hand Of God."
The archives tape is missing the first part of this song.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Bizarre_Love_Triangle follows, after which there's a bit
of guitar strumming, after which The_Perfect_Kiss is
played.
BS: "Thank you very much. Don't worry, I'll think of something else
to say in a minute."
The Order than perform Ceremony. The archives version has quite
a bit of chatter here.
Short pause after Dreams_Never_End. The Park tape has a brief
(10 second) cut out on the right channel during the into for
Love_Vigilantes. Brief edit as well on the archives tape...
the sound gets noticably more muffled for the first minute.
There's an edit in the Park between this and Confusion.
Feedback during the first verse, as well as between this
and the next song, Age_Of_Consent.
Brief appearance of the "Do The Ostrich" riff.
Temptation closes out the set.
Park tape has loud clapping around the part where Barney sings about
green/grey/blue eyes.
BS: "Thank you very much".
Tape from BV, possibly originating from CH.
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "'k you very much."
Whistling and some dialogue in Spanish.
Sooner_Than_You_Think
Hooky mutters something. All I can make out is "Guess who..."
Way_Of_Life follows.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Sunrise
The dulcet tones thereof grace the Spanish skies, or something
like that.
BS: "Thank you very much." [and then something I can't make out]
Your_Silent_Face is next.
Leave_Me_Alone
New Order would only play this twice more.
This is immediately followed by As_It_Is_When_It_Was.
Some tuning between this track and Ceremony.
A/B split at this point.
Some azimuth issues at the start of Bizarre_Love_Triangle.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Subculture follows, followed by Face_Up.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Whistling here.
Temptation
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much, good night."
Break in tape between main set and encore.
BS says something here hard to make out.
Every_Little_Counts
lyric: "Think you are a cunt, I should be fucking you."
Blue_Monday
BS: "Thank you very much...[rest is buried in reverb]."
Have three versions, one from the Vick stash, another from Solitude,
and a third from David Power.
Alan Wise: "...his guitar. They got a girl in the group, then they
hired a roadie. From Macclesfield, Joy Division!"
The Solitude version leaves out the Alan Wise intro, and has some
flutter at the start. The DPo version has very amusing chatter from
an American girl saying "Touch me, touch me!" and "the best thing
about this place here is that I can drink anywhere I want." After
the Caroline comment said American girl says "Excuse me but would
you buy me some beer?" and then again "Come with me".
BS: "Hello everyone here? I like to dedicate this set to Caroline and
Peter who should have been here tonight but, eh, Caroline's not here because
she's dead."
On Solitude, somebody says, "Sorry, mate".
This is delivered in the most laconic voice imaginable. Thinking this
to be a joke, some audience members laughed, to which Barney replied,
rather sternly, "It's not a joke and it's not funny, but then again
we never are".
Touched_By_Hand_Of_God
BS: "This is our new song, it's called, er, Touched By The Hand Of God"
Loud bass feedback a few seconds in.
BS: "Thank you very much."
A tiny bit of soundchecking before Love_Vigilantes.
Barney's melodica bit starts off a bit tentative.
BS: "Thankyouverymuch!" (delivered in a utterly inimitatable sneeze-bark)
PH: "Hey hey, hey hey hey, you're giving these guys a really hard time,
so as he said, you should fucking move back. And you really have to
move, this guy tells me, otherwise we're gonna bring the fucking dogs
in. Is that any better? He says you're not moving enough for him."
Face_Up
PH: "I'll laid(?) back now, oh(?) fucking hell."
BS: "Thank you very much."
Somebody calls out "Barney" at the end on the Solitude version.
Angel_Dust
PH: "Nice in this here tent, innit? Smells like a cowshed."
Every_Little_Counts
Long interlude with Stephen playing quiet drums.
BS: "Tonight's crowd, we can all go to the pub...[couple of words
too quiet to make out, except for "June 12th..."]
The end features the 'Let's Go"-type guitar.
BS: "Thank you very much. What do you think of the show so far?
[some cheering, not as loud as it should be] Eh, you won't hear that
we're from Manchester."
Hooky then plays the bassline to As_It_Is_When_It_Was.
Rare drumming miscue for Stephen. Bernard giggles or chokes up
slightly at the first "ran in the streets that I was born line".
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much, think you very much. The next song
from our repetroire is Bizaare Love Triangle."
BS: "Thank you very much."
Barney strums a bit.
Split in DPo tape.
Weirdo
On the Solitude version somebody yells "Git the fuck down!".
BS: "This is, eh, Weirdo."
There's a level drop between 2:40 - 2:52 on the Solitude version,
and again from 3:07 to the end of the song.
Subculture
BS: "Could you all move back a little bit please, there's eh,
people getting hurt and thrown. C'mon, move back a bit."
C'mon move back, move back."
(the first line is almost a word-for-word quote of Barney's
comment during Tolworth '83)
The fans sing almost as loudly as Barney. The Solitude
version, being recorded further back, is more distant.
A/B flip on Solitude version.
Age_Of_Consent
BS: "There's a lot of really nice people getting squashed here.
Oh please, move back, please, please, please. If you move back,
we'll all give you a quid each."
Hooky start to play the main riff, and then stops.
PH: "And you're not going to move back for this one, aren't you,
twat-faces?"
I think that did the trick. The synths go all woozy at one point,
you'll know it when you hear it. And Hooky starts talking when
Barney sings a later verse (at about 3:28 or so).
Sunrise
PH: "You gotta move back, boys. I don't know who's getting hurt,
thrown, and being crushed and then being fucking pulled out. You
don't move back, we'll play it slow."
Again, Hooky knows how to get his way. :)
On Solitude version, someone says "Excuse me, excuse me, could you
turn(?) that [something], he's in my way."
Blue_Monday
PH: "Will you fuckers move back, for God's sake? Fucking A, turn
us up Eddie, please. [clears throat] Watch me lips move, right?
MOVE BACK!"
On Solitude's version, you can hear a bell go off and a female fan
yell "Goddamn, you tosser!"
Fade out...and fade back to Alan Wise:
"One, it's not New Order being swines, unfortunately the Council have
pulled the plugs. The Council...they say there is a curfew, and I'm
not the Council. They say the curfew is at 11. Unfortunately, the
corporation demand the end of the show, not New Order for once not
wanting to come out. They'd love to have come out, Bernard was dying
to come out. But they can't come out because it's the end of the
evening, and here's the finishing music..."
From a newly surfaced master on DIME on early June 2007.
The_Perfect_Kiss opens the set. A female voice yells out
"I can't see!"
At 3:48, Hooky says "I wish you could sing it like the..." (can't
make it out, alas)
BS: "Thank you very much." Lots of loud shouting at this point.
Paradise follows.
PA buzz can be heard.
lyric: "When I looked into your PIGGY eyes..."
BS: "...very much."
Way_Of_Life
PH: "Oh dear dear, you're ...last...in 1979. Get up to date, fatso."
Punter yells, "Fuck off Hooky!"
PH: "...two three four."
Really nice performance, great vocals...ends in a guitar bit.
Hooky puts out a teaser for the next song, but pulls back and makes
Ceremony
PH: "I really don't like...you spitting. Must have fucking brains,
that lot." He then says something else I can't make out.
He plays a bassline not familar to me, maybe just one he made up on
the spot to mark time.
Thus, the intro starts out with only bass, and then only guitar, but
both meld together eventually.
BS: "Wot's you want?
All_Day_Long
Bernard comes in too early.
Guitar soundchecking between tracks.
Leave_Me_Alone
Followed with a punter yelling, "Hooky, you fat bastard, go on a diet!"
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Bernard calls out for drums!
The same heckler makes more comments about Hooky going on Weight Watchers...
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
A/B split after this song.
Punters call for 'Temptation' and 'Sunrise' as Morris fills in the wait with
some drumming.
Age_Of_Consent
Hooky than teases with a bit of the bassline, stops, and then starts again.
This ends with Hooky bass solo.
Face_Up
BS: "...very much, this is Face Up."
Bernard says something at 3:30.
Bernard's vocals reach the screaming point at the "Guess what I'm going to
do to you!"
Another one that ends with Hooky's bass, which segues right into Temptation.
Ends in feedback.
Cut in tape.
Do_The_Ostrich
BS: "Well, thank you. ...stop. Feedback."
Bernard makes his guitar riffing here more melodic than usual, and the tempo
for this is slower than other versions I've heard, as he comments on during
the first verse, so this picks up in pace after he complains about it.
lyric: "He's got a smoke machine, and its shite."
Features samples from Star Trek similar to what appeared at Glastonbury '87.
I have two versions, a pristine CD copy off of a Malcolm Beaton master,
and a 3rd-4th generation cassette that also has the Evil Dust remix on
it, that has the taper proclaming it a "Lazlo production", and which
has quite a bit more punter chatter than the Beaton master, most of
which I haven't noted.
The_Perfect_Kiss
PH: "Good evening."
There's some chanting I can't make out by punters.
On the Lazlo tape, a voice says, "This is a Lazlo production."
Love_Vigilantes follows.
lyrics: "Been so alone, you see...1-2-3-4."
This_Time_Of_Night next.
_586_
BS: "Thank you very much. [keyboard sqiggle] This is an old song that's
5-8, called...it's called 5-8-6.".
Every_Little_Counts
Barney's vocals come in a half-line late.
lyrics: "Turn the foldback up, will you please let me?"
and "I think you are a cunt, you should be in a zoo."
Sooner_Than_You_Think and Weirdo follow.
A/B flip. First part of Bizarre_Love_Triangle is missing from
the Beaton source. It's complete on the Lazlo tape, as the A/B
split there is between BLT and the next song, meaning that only the
Beaton tape contains the following:
PH: "Glad you enjoyed it."
Fans shout out during the break between songs (Beaton).
Subculture and Sunrise follow.
Slight dropout between verses on the latter.
Blue_Monday
Main set ends. Last part of backing tape caught before Barney speaks again.
(Beaton). The Lazlo tape records more of the main set/encore gap,
though there's a cut, resuming with punters singing "Manchester...is
wonderful"...quite spectacularly horrid.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "This is our new song and it's, eh...called "Touched By The Hand Of
God". Thank you. That's Rob, our manager. Robert Gretton, big hand
for Rob Gretton."
(somebody on the Lazlo tape doesn't like Gretton, calling him a
"cunt"...or maybe he DOES like him, hard to know with Mancs)
BS: "Thank you..." [can't totally make out]
PH: (interrupting) "Wouldn't be where we are today without him."
BS: "I've always loved Glasgow, I've always hated Edinburgh."
BS: (after song finishes) "Thank you very much."
New Order finish up with Temptation.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Ends with a lass screaming. (Beaton). The Lazlo tape has some
amusing comments, "You never know..." (the Order may come back on) and
"we'll tear the fucking stage apart..." (if they don't!)
Sourced from the recently unearthed videocassette.
Some music I can't identify as the band take the stage.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God starts off the
set.
Paradise
BS: "This is Paradise...very popular song [word]?"
Way_Of_Life follows.
At this point, there is frequent muffling in the sound,
which continues throughout.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Shellshock and Ceremony follow.
Hooky scratches himself whilst he waits for the sequencers
to load for Thieves_Like_Us,
Bizarre_Love_Triangle is next.
Subculture
Hooky says something about them not nearly being as comfortable
as the audience is, can't entirely make out what he's saying.
Age_Of_Consent
BS: "Thank you much. Now that we're at home, we'll play that
old favorite now, Age Of Consent." followed by a couple of
words I can't make out.
Hooky ends this with some bass notes.
Face_Up
lyric: "sometimes in life we shouldn't go on tour."
The band conclude with Temptation.
lyric: "Each way I turn, I always whine...a circle that sticks within
my eye."
Bernard speaks before singing the "blue eyes..." bit...
lyric: "Oh you got snake eyes!"
The band leave the stage, no encore.
Soundcheck
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God (instrumental)
Panoramic views of the Hacienda interior
Drums
Stephen Morris plays away...convincing us that he keeps as good
time as drum machines. His shirt has Cyrillic on it.
In the midst of his playing, Hooky walks on stage with Heather,
his daughter, who's at this point just a toddler. Andy Robinson a
nd Rob Gretton also show up.
After a few minutes, he switches to a different pattern, and
then keeps playing some more, switching again as Hooky taks his
daughter ofstage.
There's some dialouge fifteen minutes in between the roadies
about some lead or another. After another minute, Stephen
stops playing, and he and a bevy of other members and associates
hang around the keyboards and start fooling around with Star Trek
samples.
Thieves_Like_Us (keyboards)
Gillian's playing, wearing a white jacket. Stephen is behind
her.
Some more talking afterwards as Gillian takes off her jacket.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God (keyboards)
Stephen's smoking a cigarette here.
Your_Silent_Face (instrumental)
Brief performance.
Gillian picks up a guitar, strums a bit before playing the
melody to As_It_Is_When_It_Was, and then switches
to something unidentifiable.
Hooky then shows up with his Eccelehall, playing the melody
to Age_Of_Consent, followed by Lonesome_Tonight, and
then his infamous one-twos, which continue for a minute or
two...then a bit of conversation and noodling.
Thieves_Like_Us (instrumental) follows.
Still no sign of Bernard at this point.
Gillian is back on guitar.
Paradise follows, also an instrumental, since the vocalist
still hasn't made an appearance.
As soon as somebody starts to sha-la-la, the take abruptly
stops. Bernard has arrived.
Gillian than plays the bit for We_All_Stand, which the
band play. Followed by the guitar bit to Lets_Go and then
some more guitar.
Bernard does his own one-twos, and there's a bit more noodling
before they perform Shellshock, with vocals, Hooky promimently
on backing vox.
Way_Of_Life follows.
Bernard stops the take as the vocals seem too quiet and the
drums too loud. They start up again, but Bernard cuts off
the take again.
BS: "Whoa these monitors don't seem to be doing anything at
all. Let me check these wedges..." Then he one-twos and
says the sound is a bit bassy, and continues complaining for
a bit. The group try it a third time, and this time finish.
A bit more random soundchecking as the group depart the
stage.
The fullest source for this concert was taken from an audience tape and
has all tracks which were played at Glastonbury. There are soundboard
releases of all tracks except 'Elegia', but for some mysterious reason,
Subculture and Sunrise were left off the BBC Windsong release
(Ceremony's absence is less of a mystery, since this rendition is
supposedly not one of their best), which also erroneously lists
'Every Little Counts' as 'Every Second Counts'.
Sound quality on the audience tape portions is very good, and of course
the audience tape is the only source for all the profanity, aside from
the pre-BLT comment.
There's also an audience video of the proceedings, nearly B&W but filmed
fairly closely to the proceedings.
Elegia
BS: "Hello, everyone. We're gonna start the session this evening with
an instrumental called Elegia."
They play the song. A little bit of the way Hooky cries out, "Andy!".
You can see Bernard strumming furiously but no noise is made, and he
swaps his Strat for his Gibson halfway through. Hooky is redolent in
his fluffed mullet, the 80s was definitely the decade of scary hair.
BS: "One two, one two thank you very much. That was an instrumental called
Elegia."
(the audience tape doesn't have the "one two thank you very much" bit)
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
Bernard points up signalling the wedges to be turned up. This concert
features lasers, as the video reveals.
Bernard's singing is gloriously off-key.
Nice guitar riffing too.
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much."
Temptation
Great version, very much like Temptation 87.
True_Faith
BS: "This is a new song that we never played before so, er, bear with us if
you will. It's called True Faith."
BS: "Thank you very much. Stop flashing the lights, Andy."
Your_Silent_Face.
Bernard blows into a green Hohner melodica at the start.
On the audience tape, Hooky says something at 3:22, the last word "back" is
the only one I can make out.
Coda at end.
Every_Little_Counts follows.
Ceremony
(Hooky's comments can be more clearly discerned from the audience
tape)
BS: "Fuck you, fuck you(!) It's like playing in a British Legion in Salford,
this."
PH: "Any requests? (through Bernard's comment) Wot was that?"
PH: "Was this your idea, Andy?"
After the song...
PH: "You miserable bastards actually drink that shit?"
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Andy, Andy, 'Q' on the smoke machine. Corny bastard. I think
all these people have seen a smoke machine before."
Subculture
BS: "Thank you thank you. Notice that all our songs finish with
big endings. Big songs, small dicks."
A little bit of Let's Go tacked at the end...
Sunrise
BS: "This next one's called Sunrise."
The_Perfect_Kiss
PH: "You aren't employed by Andy Liddle, are you? Very Andy...finding your
way back to your tent."
[what in the HELL was that about?]
Yummy raunchy guitar. Even yummier female moans.
Age_Of_Consent
PH: "Thank you. This is to warm you up for that long cold night you've
got ahead of you."
lyric: "I'm not the kind that needs to tell you just what the fuck you want
me to."
BS: "Thank you, thank you."
Sister_Ray has neat Star Trek samples, probably the same ones that
appeared in Do The Ostrich played at The Roxy in Sheffield on 08 Jun 87.
Something appears to get smashed up in the end.
From http://www.neworderonline.com/thread.asp?thread_id=1553&forum_id=1
NORDERPHILE writes:
"A bizarre memory was New Order playing Reading University Rag Ball in
1987. Half the crowd were in tuxedos/ballgowns, despite the first
rendition of 1963 it was a poor gig rounded off brilliantly by an encore
of Lonesome Tonight."
Have a CD of a Lazlo first-gen which greatly betters the "M/2" that I
had previously, which leaves out Bernard's intro to the first song, and
really doesn't do this gig justice, at least from the little I could
listen to, as the recently-received copy blows it away.
Annoying whistle here.
Paradise
BS: "Thank you very much, I know that you've not seen us for a while.
This is Paradise."
Looks like levels were low until the bass drum kicked in, don't know
if that was the recorder or the PA, I suspect the former.
Lazlo: "This is one of those dead pissed Lazlo productions, actually."
partner: "No it's not, we're gonna go home tonight."
Lazlo: "Fell asleep in the ditch with them."
partner: "Totally sober." (at the same time as above)
Lazlo: "Got no car."
PH: "How many of you have anything fucking better to do than shout?"
Lazlo says something about "those dickheads". Somebody else blows a
whistle.
Lets_Go follows. This song never disappoints live, and here is no
exception.
Punters nearby shout. The annoying whistle blows.
Shellshock is next.
BS: "Thank you very much."
A bit of Lou Reed-y type guitar follows.
Temptation
The audience start shouting out the melody in the bridge.
A couple of comments that this is a "marvellous show", to contrast with
NORDERPHILE's opinion above.
Another comment: "got no dirty looks".
All_Day_Long
Bernard comes a bit late in with vocals.
Fans (not Bernard for a change) whoop, and somebody blows the whistle
again. Random comments from the taping group. During which, one of
the band play a tiny bit of keyboard for the next song.
_1963_
The debut performance! Again, Bernard's a bit late on vocals here.
The verse before the chorus has very odd phrasing, as if Bernard was
coming in early on the chorus by mistake.
Punter cries for "Transmission." About 15 years early on that one...
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: (at 0:20 or so) "I need a mikestand that won't skid around".
Chorus of first verse is missing...maybe the mike skidded out of
reach at that point.
Angel_Dust
(at end) "Woo!" "Peter!" "Lazlo!"
A/B split is at this point.
Face_Up
Ugh, the whistle is now following the melody around!
Sunrise
Audience claps along to the intro.
Blue_Monday
More clapping.
Feedback at 2:33.
Lonesome_Tonight
The band comes back on to this and encores with this song, which is the
last time they ever played it. This was supposedly rehearsed for the
summer 2005 gigs, but never aired.
BS: "Thank you very much. One two, one two, one two, one two."
A shame because this is one of my top 5 favorites.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Lazlo: "That's all, folks."
Many thanks to "jsz" from mdmarchive for identifying the setlist.
See here: http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1146&bid=693
Note that his source is labelled the 16th, but this may be post-dated.
An audience source has finally turned up, courtesy of 'ellaguru' on DIME.
As seeded, the last two racks appear first, with Subcutlure appearing
third, and the rest following.
Subculture
The tape is missing the first portion, as the taper started in a bit late.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Dreams_Never_End is next.
Sunrise
Chatter at the start, female voice saying something hard to make out...this
individual may be the taper.
Temptation
More chatter from the putative taper.
_1963_ follows.
BS: "Andy, can you turn the lights down please?"
True_Faith is next.
Weirdo
Ends with guitar being strummed and tom-tom sounding drumming.
BS: "Thank you very much. So....over there. [hard to make out the rest]"
Face_Up follows. A bit of hubbub at the start....and faded out right at
the start of the next track.
Age_Of_Consent
First part is cut, with the track fading in mid-verse.
The_Perfect_Kiss follows.
Bernard says something indisguishable.
Taken from a very poor sounding recording, but it's the only one we've got.
It's not one that circulates widely because we first learned of the setlist
via the MDMA.
Subculture
Audience recording is missing the first part.
Dreams_Never_End
Hooky says something at the end hard to make out.
Ceremony
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much".
BS: "...stop screaming
Hooky also speaks at the end of True_Faith, hard to make out
except after he talks he replies with "Good." and then says something
else.
Every_Little_Counts
A few left channel dropouts on my recording.
Lonesome_Tonight follows.
The last time New Order would perform this song.
Brief dropout near the end.
Shellshock
BS: "Thanks very much. Thank you very much."
Then he says something I can't understand, and then something about the lights.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
Bernard say someting at the start.
PH: "Thank you."
Face_Up
Some annoying bird-like "woo woo"'s from the audience.
Age_Of_Consent
Bernard says something else I can't make out.
Brief tape cut.
Temptation closes things out.
BS: "Thank you, good night!"
Two versions, one from Tim Cole received from UKBT, very distant and
hissy, the other a first-generation tape in the BV stash. The TC tape
seems to suffer from bleed-through at the start. The BV is better
recorded and preserved.
Intro is Funeral For a Viking, standard for this tour.
Present more in full on the TC version than on the BV M/1.
BS: "Thanks a lot. We're New Order and this is Elegia...it's a very
quiet riff." {a barely audible mumble on the TC version)
Elegia
(at end)
BS: "Thanks very much."
The opening drum pattern to True_Faith is mistakenly triggered.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
On the TC version there's an internal edit at 2:30 that sounds like
a photo shutter, but is of course really something else.
(on BV version)
woman: "What's his name, by the way?"
BS: "Thanks a lot."
Odd "Are you experenced" type guitar or bass riffing in between
songs.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle and Ceremony follow.
True_Faith
BS: "Thank you. This is our new single, and we're playing to it...
playing...playing it to you. It's a track [sounds like: crony...]
leads to buying it(?)."
PH: "Freudian slip there, man."
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much."
Every_Little_Counts is prefaced with Hooky playing the bassline
to Joy Division's "Sound Of Music"!
punter: "I might get an autograph yet." and "Yeah!" (BV version).
Some dropouts/flakiness on tape about 2:00 in (TC version).
lyric: "Every second counts / When I fuck with you."
Leave_Me_Alone
Somebody near the taper (on BV version) howls at the start and end of this.
lyrics: "A hundred unions in the snow / I watched them falling, fucking
in a row. I'm going fuck you in here tonight / It's gonna be OK if I don't
fight."
(at end on TC version)
person near taper: "Is this still running?"
taper?: "Well..."
BS: "Thank you so much."
On BV version, the taper asks an interesting comment...
taper: "Why the fuck is he giving all these thank you's for?"
Subculture
BS: "[mumbles, kinda sounds like a slurred "What ya doin'"]...This is an
old song."
Face_Up follows.
Age_Of_Consent
Internal cuts at 0:52 (A/B split on my tape), 1:30, and 1:52 (TC version)
The BV version is complete.
The_Perfect_Kiss
Somebody yells out "Cowbell" near the start, and there's other audience
chatter (TC version).
lyric: "Playing with my big fat cock!"
Volume level drops of near the seven-minute point, and through
to the rest of the set. (TC version)
Lots of a particular audience member going "Woo" at the end.
(BV version)
Temptation
More howling, and somebody shouting out for "Confusion" (BV version).
BS: "I (don't) want to lose the lights, Andy, like the lights.
Psychedelic."
BS: "Thank you very much for wanting us back...thank you very much."
During the intro, Hooky says "Many reasons Phil fucking wor..."
[can't make it out entirely].
There's another internal cut shortly before the first verse, as well as
the sound of the tape getting chewed up near the end. (TC version)
Sister_Ray ends the set. Ian MacCulloch from Echo And The Bunnymen
sings on one of the verses, with the most notable line being "sucking on
my ding-dong", which happens to be on the original.
lyrics: "Sister Ray said bollocks / Sister Ray said twat
"Sister Ray said piss / Sister Ray said shit"
and "Sister Ray always spoiled me".
BS (right at the five-minute point): "I'd like to deliver a little
message to...in the audience tonight. You should go and stop seeing
these groups! Because...they're no good for you. You should go and
see them old groups because they're full of shit. I said shit, I said
shit."
MP3 taken from LP copy of Chapter III bootleg. My copy is not
particularly well-mastered. Since then, another audience version
has surfaced, with different audience comments.
There's also an amateur video of the proceedings, though the only
copy of this I have is fairly poor quality.
Somebody says, "There they are...there's Eddie."
Somebody else: "Send me a copy."
Love_Vigilantes
BS: "Thanks a lot. Hello Frank."
BS: "'k you."
A bit of conversation between a guy and gal near the taper,
including at about 45 seconds into the song.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
Lots of crowd noise in this one, including one guy yelling out
'Fuck You' to somebody.
Everythings_Gone_Green
Has echoing whoops. The world is coming to an end.
lyric: "I see my future before me...I'll hurt you with that can."
A fan mutters as Bernard sings, "Seems like I've been here before."
something about the song being called "Everything's Gone Green",
since it was one of the older ones.
Lets_Go
This is the instrumental version. Hooky starts it off with a "Yo!"
Very good guitarwork by Mr. Sumner.
All_Day_Long
Not commonly played live during the '87 US tour, the only other time
known was in Montreal.
End of side 1 on LP.
Angel_Dust
Another Hooky "Yo!".
PH: "One hell of a crash party paradise(?)".
(at end)
BS: "...very much."
PH: "What are you shouting?"
Shellshock
lyric: "I've been bad, but I've been bad..."
Weirdo
BS: "Turn the lights down, Andy. It's kinda light up here. ...got
to be up front with the stars..." [not 100% sure on wording]
Hooky yells out "Let's go!".
lyric: "I know you and you know me, and we're as fucked us as we can be"
The song abruptly comes to a halt.
The video version doesn't make it that far, as the taper comments that they
thought the got spotted. The recording resumes sometime during the start of
Face Up.
BS: "How did like the weird ending on that one?"
Face_Up
BS: "And by the way, everyone says this, but we do love New York.
The drugs are so cheap here, and plentiful!"
Ends with Hooky bass solo, which segues into the next song.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Ceremony
Well-performed version.
BS: "Thanks a great deal."
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "...turn a bit please, a bit hot for it. In fact, can you turn the
lights off? Well, when we start playing the next song, when I start singing,
turn them on. That's what we do at pop concerts, innit?"
(J.W. Anthony had sent in the original correction, the new audience
version has more of Bernard's pre-song comments)
PH: "Never get this shit from Gene Loves Jezebel, do you Andy?"
Bernard calls for "lights" before the first chorus.
New audience version has a cut here.
Blue_Monday
You can hear some girl say her foot fell asleep, heh.
NO come back on as good electro music fades out...
PH: "C'mon Frank, you knew we'd come on, didn't ya?"
Blue Monday has orchestral string sounds typical of peformances around
this time.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Recording is very trebly, even with Dolby B on, but is of pretty
good quality, marked as second generation. Another version, sounding
a bit rougher, surfaced in early 2006. It has some of the intro
'Funeral For A Viking' and lots of crowd interaction.
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Thank you very much. We'll start off with a new song, it's
called Touched By The Hand Of God."
A rousing version of Dreams_Never_Ends follows.
Ceremony
BS: (to roadie) "Would you turn this smoke machine off, please it
stinks."
Sunrise
Opening marred by chattering fans. Vocals unusually impassioned.
The recording I have has the levels drop on the right channel
2/3 of the way through.
Your_Silent_Face
False start, equipment glitch.
PH: So you can't win 'em all, can you? Even in a place like New York."
(you can then hear some girl near the mic trying to decipher what you said)
Barney sings "Why don't you fuck off?" instead of the "Why don't
you piss off?" that occurs in the recorded version.
Every_Little_Counts
More audience chattering, grr. Barney spits out the word "pig".
Fans cheer in the brief break in the song, thinking it over.
Subculture
PH: (as song starts) "I'll say..."
Hooky can be heard on backing vocals, a bit out of sync with
Bernard's vocal.
Face_Up
BS: "Thank you very much.
(to roadie): "Andy, all the vocals on the side fill, I'm not...
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much."
(again to roadie)...Could we do it a bit brighter, it sounded
very dull."
Age_Of_Consent
Hooky trips and falls over the initial riff, they start over.
The intro is completely out of tune, but they get back into
the swing of things.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Temptation
Instead of "one, two, three, four", it's "uno, dos, tres, quatro".
BS: "Thank you very much, indeed."
New Order conclude the main set with The_Perfect_Kiss.
Edit before the encore songs.
PH: "Right, we're gonna play a Paul Young cover for all you
people who wanted to see Paul Young."
(correction courtesy of Shug of NOOL)
Blue_Monday featues an extensive appearance of orchestral string
samples. Hooky gets creative with the bassline at one point.
Ends with the '87 tour Star Trek samples.
Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart
First verse gets mangled a bit, but the second has a classic
ad lib, where Ian would have sung "Is my timing that flawed?".
"Is my breath that bad?"
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Quality is OK. Audience chatter is noticeable. Source was probably
prety clear but this is a couple of generations gone.
Tape I have has a late start to Perfect Kiss, so only the last two
minutes of that tune can be heard.
BS: "Thank you so much..."
(one of the bootleggers can be heard to say 'Did you wind the tape
forward?'...yeah?, no?')
Everythings_Gone_Green
Bernard's singing is clearer than on any heretofore known version
(meaning you can make out the words), version is shorter than
historically typical.
Angel_Dust
Ends on a Hooky bass solo.
This_Time_Of_Night
(after song finishes)
"Thank you very much, we like to feel we provide something different
for the audience, an alternative. Which I suppose we do, really..."
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
(end of song)
BS: "It's not called 'Plantation' dickhead, it's called 'Temptation'"
(ouch)
Love_Vigilantes
BS: "Thank you very much, Oh, look at that plane there, look at that
plane. My, must be interesting."
A few lyrics are improvised here.
Somebody keeps yelling out for "Blue Fucking Monday"...
PH: "Rather be on the go-carts" (they're playing at an amusement park)
BS: "It's not called 'Temptation'. I don't choose! It's called
'Planatation'.
PH: "If you believe him, you'll believe anything."
Then NO play Subculture and Face_Up.
Face Up cuts out for a few seconds near the end, but picks up again.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Age_Of_Consent
"Just what the fuck you want me to" line.
State_Of_The_Nature
BS: "Thank you very much."
Break in recording.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
PH: "Any guesses? ...a guess with what we're gonna finish with?"
(edit, into encore)
Do_The_Ostrich
BS: "Thank you. You're gonna regret this now, make the vocals a bit
brighter, turn the volume down Nick, you're gonna regret this, this is
um..." BS strums his guitar...
BS: "With the bass here tonight..."
I'm going to attempt the nearly insane task of transcribing the lyrics
for this one. See:
http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs87.html#NO-870904
Run_Run_Run
Ian McCulloch takes the stage and introduces Barney. Both alternate
verses on this one.
I'm going to attempt the nearly insane task of transcribing the lyrics
for this one:
Do the ostrich
He told me that I was no good for you
So I said "do the ostrich"
Fucking [name?] was a boy but we didn't know it
Fucking [name?] was a boy but we didn't know it
When you get down to the [?]
Do the ostrich
About three minutes in, Barney tells the soundman (or the rest of the
band) to "take it down, turn it down, turn it down".
We've reach that plain song where you need...
Either you speak the sounds or don't [?]...bastard!
If that seems like too much of an effort
Everybody tear your pants up to [?Hooky's] left
We ask who's left? [?]
But...words...not the poet
If once I bought this record by the Velvet Underground
It had a very, very, simple drone[?] type sound
It was [?] cunt and twat
Do the ostrich
Notes indicate this is a first generation tape, recorded from
the audience. Except for the beginning of Bizarre Love Triangle,
the first song, where the tape drops out and sounds muddy, the
audio quality is really good.
I also have this on CD-R, it looks like it's from the same
source.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much, we're gonna begin the set with Bizarre
Love Triange"
(audio dropout until halfway through the song, then sound gets much
better)
True_Faith
BS: "Thanks a lot. We'll play a chinese song now"
(features "taking drugs with me" line)
Sunrise
BS: "Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. Hey number one new civic center!
Thank you very much, see you after the show, we'll get you a drink."
Every_Little_Counts has lyrics from Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side,
which I think happened through the '87 US tour.
lyric: "I think you are a pig, ha ha / I think you even poo."
BS: "Thank you very much."
_1963_
lyrics: "I don't care if you got a big dick
Ah, Johnny won't you hear me, Johnny won't you hear me?"
Subculture
Hooky precedes this with the usual 10 note or so bass melody.
lyric: "In the end you will submit, it's got to hurt you, I don't
give a shit."
Edit at this point.
Somebody actually calls out for "Twats Like Us". NO play Weirdo instead.
lyric: "I know you and you know me, and we're as fucked up as we should
be."
Song comes abruptly to a halt.
Face_Up follows.
Between verses, Bernard declaims, "Never repeat yourself."
He sing-speaks the first lines of the following verse.
Fade out/in.
Somebody calls out for Temptation. Which NO do play.
lyric: "Oh you got green eyes, oh you got blue eyes, oh you got warm eyes."
Blue_Monday has these awesome cheesy orchestral sounds.
Hooky improvises near the end here, really, really good!
Brief cut.
The_Perfect_Kiss
BS: "Thanks you very much. [frog sample] Jesus is with us."
Another really good improvisation, this time by Bernard on guitar.
BS: "Thank you, good night."
Cassette soundboard master depicted here:
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=2560&bid=693
This is the infamous gig where the group played Substance in order,
and then came back and encored with Joy Division songs!
Source courtesy of RM and 'nof586'.
Info starts with the 'Funeral for a Viking' sequence, which on
the canonical version is preserved for quite a while (two and a
half minutes)
(introduction is from RM tape)
TW: "Ladies and gentlemen of Southern California...to quote an
old friend of mine from Manchester in England...who do you think
is the greatest pop group in the world? And it is New Order."
Ceremony
PH: "Good Evening".
BS: "Thank you."
Everythings_Gone_Green follows.
Temptation
PH: "Any requests? (song starts) Too late."
Has the keening intro guitar but seen with more recent versions
(Temptation '98 being the canonical example).
A girl at the 4:30 point (of the 'LA bird' species) asks if the
taper is taping.
lyric: "Oh it's the last time, oh it's the sickness." A few
seconds after this there's a bit of a stereo change, probably
due to the taper dancing along.
Taper: "I'm gonna give you a piece of paper, please write down
your phone number, I'll tape your...out.
PH: "Another L..L... rainbow, is there?" [can't quite make this out]
The trouble with rain is that it plays havoc with our sequencers."
Blue_Monday is greeted with screaming.
PH: (about a minute in) "Quit waving at their cue, Andy!"
Features the same sorts of orchestral-type sounds that would become
even more promiment during the '89 performances. An outstanding
version.
BS: "Thank you very much indeed." (clears throat).
Some guitar is strummed, probably when Barney is picking up a bass
for Confusion.
Interestingly enough, this song is in a completely different key
than either the original or '87 versions.
Then follows an exchange between the taper and his friend.
friend: "Why you're doing the break, dude? C'mon you don't want me
to fuck it up during the song!"
taper: "I will, I'd like a place to get in there..." [i think]
friend: "I wanna move up, dude!"
Thieves_Like_Us
taper: "Tell me it very fast so I can get your telephone number."
The person reads out the number.
The_Perfect_Kiss
lyric: "Tonight I should have stayed at home, playing with my big
fat cock."
Tape flip at this point.
Subculture
BS: "How many of you here want to hear it again. Okay, wonderful
audience, what a wonderful audience. I would like to know you
personally, each and every one of you. Just think, it must be
wonderful [medicine?] in this audience."
A couple of seconds later: "...To others[?]"
lyric: "These crazy words are mine, Someday I'll print them..."
Bernard growls out what has to be "Rolaids!" during the bridge
right before singing the verse again.
BS: "Thank you very much."
Shellshock
Bernard reverses the "I've been good and I've been bad", making
the (correct) Hooky backing vocal stand out like a sore thumb.
lyric: "No matter how I try and try, the smell of cocaine gets
me high." Substance, get it?
BS: "Thank you very much indeed, thank you very much."
What he says next sounds like "Short and askew" but probably isn't.
State_Of_The_Nation follows.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much. Have we got any faggots in the audience
tonight? Yeah, everyone. [people start booing, and you can hear
a female fan shout "Oh my God"]. But clearly Barney is taking the
piss, because he follows up by saying, "That's good, cuz we don't
care....We're New Order and we don't care." The crowd goes wild.
And then the band soundcheck Iggy Pop's "The Passenger"!
True_Faith
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Ends in guitar
End of main set, tape edit in between this and first encore.
Atmosphere
PH: "This is for all you, eh, old-timers in the audience..."
lyric: "Yet we're all trying...yet we're all saying...
You turn to your mother, you turn to your father...given in
too soon..."
[he may have forgotten the lyrics and just ab-libbed this part]
Thank you very much indeed, good night! Sounds soo bad.
Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart
Doesn't appear on my recording, alas.
Sister_Ray
(from RM source...faded up in progress, as the taper had to rush
back in and set up the gear)
Plenty of foul-mouthed utterings. "I don't give a shit...I don't
care about you..." being a sample. Amazing feedback drenched
guitarwork.
BS: "Thanks very much, good night!"
Description from http://web.archive.org/web/20011102124429/http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremony/neworder/no_disc/notapes.html
The entry reads:
Rennes, France, 11.12.85 salle villar - maison de la culture
blue monday, ultraviolence, the village, shame of the nation,
this time of night, everything's gone green, sub-culture
(b) confusion, temptation, the perfect kiss, as it is when it was
(filler from compton terrace AZ 1-15-97 substance tour)
However, MDMArchive reveals that in fact the setlist was significantly
different, which makes sense as As It Is When It Was was really only
featured during their '89 tour.
01. Bizarre Love Triangle
12. Atmosphere
Actually, I misread the slashmc.rice.edu/ listing, as it was pointed out
that the filler from Compton Terrace was never actually enumerated!
Tape starts out with the Vikings theme.
Touched_By_the_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Hello, we're New Order, and we'll focus on the...bit basic(?)"
Couple of stereo field shifts...the quality of the recording gets
noticably better after the second minute.
Ceremony
PH: "Got all this feedback on me..." (?)
At the end, Bernard says, "Thank you, punters."
Angel_Dust is next.
Paradise
Somebody near the taper (on the left channel) says "Yeah" about three
times.
Your_Silent_Face
A few notes from the melodica before the electronics start.
lyrics: "No breathing, no movement, no colors, no side fills."
Bernard delivers "Piss off" in an interesting accent.
True_Faith comes next.
Shellshock
BS: "Bass...sequencer...down...please."
Somebody shouts out for "Temptation".
Subculture follows.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much."
Age_Of_Consent and then Temptation.
BS: "Thank you, good night."
New Order come back on to do The_Perfect_Kiss, but before that
Hooky plays a bit of a bass solo.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night."
And like that, they're done.
Off of CD-R sent to me by Calle, later seeded for all to enjoy on DIME.
Audience tape, fairly good sound.
Announcer..."let us now experience New Order"...then about two minutes of
87 tour theme music.
New Order come on stage.
BS: "It's a little bit cold..."
PH: "Let see if we can warm you up a bit..."
Ceremony
(outro)
PH: "Whose is this, whose is this? Think I'll want to hold on to this..."
Blue_Monday
(intro)
PH: "Transmission...it's nice to hear someone with a sense of humor."
Begining is full of nice choral effects.
Dreams_Never_End
PH: "All right..."
Love_Vigilantes
(at end)
BS: "Ozzie, repair our [-two words-] now.."
True_Faith follows.
Everythings_Gone_Green
Good example of hold and release sampling. "Show me...show me...show me.."
Bernard then says "Mussolini...was a fat bloke." which amusingly also gets
the hold and release treatment.
They run through the remaining songs...including Face_Up and Temptation.
The_Perfect_Kiss closes out the main set.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle is the first encore track. Then they play
Anarchy_In_The_UK, which has a loping Hooky bassline and one of
the roadies doing the vocals.
PH: "Thank you, and good night...and to [?] words[?]"
Source is a excellent second-generation audience tape. There are two
other known sources as well.
The intro is actually the beginnings of the bassline for Loveless!
Amazing to see this so early.
Touched_By_The__Hand__Of__God follows.
BS: "Thank you very much, [something]."
Ceremony follows.
Angel_Dust
The final performance ever for this song.
PH: "Eh, getting a whistle on the bass there, mate."
Bizarre_Love__Triangle
PH: "Eh, getting a whistle on the bass there, mate."
True_Faith
This brings out handclaps from all about. Features "they're
all taking drugs with me" lyric, of course.
Every_Little_Counts
PH: "Nice little short one for you, lull you all to sleep."
Some chatter in German through the first verse on the tumult
version.
After the second verse, Bernard pips in with what sounds like
the F-word.
Has the "Sputnik" synth ending.
Love_Vigilantes
Soon to be retired from the setlist, with the Wembley performance
four days later being the final performance until this one was
resuscitated in 2001.
Hooky starts this one out with a descending slide.
Sunrise and Face_Up follow.
Barney says something different before the "your hair was long" bit.
Either that, or it's an out-and-out flub.
Temptation
At about 3:00 Barney improvises with directions to the stage crew.
lyric: "I will complain about the light..."
At 5:37, he sneaks a "fuck you" into the "I've never seen anybody
quite you before" lines.
Barney's guitar filigree melds right into the Blue_Monday intro.
BS: "Thank you very much, good night!"
Fans start cheering, there's a tape break a few seconds and about
two and a half minutes of further cheers, claps, etc. Another
edit and New Order come back on.
The_Perfect_Kiss
PH: "Anyone got any chewing gum? Any of you fuckers got any chewing
gum? Quit chewing gum, you cunt!"
(wonder what happened here?)
PH: "[snorts] That's better..." There's a stutter with the drums during
an intro, like Hooky was beating the shit out of them. He mutters
a few other things before Barney starts singing.
(during intro)
PH: "Pretty good [Mike?], keep it up." He mutters something after that
I can't make out.
Do_The_Ostrich
The last time this is ever played. Has a unique programmed drum
intro instead of live drums.
Lots of improvs, one example:
lyric: "You said to me, I should have met you before...
In the year of '84, when I met you you were a bore."
And more:
lyric: "I saw you where people called me shitfaced...
I saw you immediately I loooooved you..."
Ends with Hooky going nuts, of course. The band has stopped playing
by the time the Star Trek samples come on, which are still playing
as the venue music goes out over the PA.
Link to gig review at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/zza77/temp/paris87.htm
Confirmed track listing as same in nogig.
Somewhat hissy recording, I have it identified as 4th generation.
Still very listenable even as such. I've since received a better
copy.
Performance features the last time NO is known to have performed
586.
Bizarre_Love_Triangle
BS: "Thank you very much, we're New Order, and this is Bizarre Love
Triangle...you bastard."
Touched_By_The_Hand_Of_God
BS: "Merci Beaucoup".
(at end)
BS: "Thank you very much, punters. Eddie, can you tighten this mic
stand up."
State_Of_The_Nation
BS: "Thank you very much. ...mike stand in place."
True_Faith
BS: "It's a song about prostitutes with big tits".
Features the "they're all taking drugs with me" lyric.
As_It_Is_When_It_Was and Paradise follow.
As does _586_, the last time the group play the song.
Face_Up is played. It has a digital skip at 2:29.
A/B split at this point.
Temptation follows.
Some audience shout-outs.
Age_Of_Consent features "...just what the fuck you want us to..."
typical of '87 gigs.
The_Perfect__Kiss concludes the main set.
lyric: "Let's go out and fuck someone."
The audience claps along to the handclaps in the song, which
has to be a first!
The very end features a whooping sound not unlike the siren in 'Disorder'.
Edit in tape between main set and encore.
Blue_Monday is the first encore track.
Interestingly enough, Blue Monday has the orchestral-like sounds
that it would take on during the Technique tour.
Sister_Ray also sounds like the version they played in
Brazil in '88 that can be found in on the Giorno Poetry Systems
Like_A_Girl_I_Like_To_Keep_You_Coming
compilation with the speeded up ending, though this version
finds Bernard in a more talkative mood.
There's a link to an article about somebody whe was there
at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/zza77/temp/paris87.htm
Dropouts at the beginning of this version, but sound gets better as
it goes along.
Touched_By_The_Hand__Of__God
BS: "Thank you very much."
(following from Dave Mings...may be missing from my version, but not his)
After this one Barney says 'Thank you very much. Apart from that bastard'.
This was referring to some punter who through a plastic bottle that flicked
off the top of his head and then flew in Steve's direction.
Ceremony follows.
Way_Of_Life
PH: "Hello. Good evening! This one is for Terry Mason, who's
leaving us tonight. This is his favourite song so let's call it(?)
bon voyage."
PH: (at end) "Bye bye Tel". (thanks to Dave Mings for supplying this
bit)
True_Faith is next.
They're all taking drugs with me, of course.
BS: "Thank you very much, thank you very much indeed.
Manchester United!"
Bizarre_Love_Triangle follows.
Every_Little_Counts
(at start)
BS: "Thank you very much. I want to dedicate this next record to
Gene Loves Jezebel. We're all very big fans of theirs. I'm sure
if we are, you are."
I think this 'dedication' is entirely sarcastic, but unlike what
I had earlier, he likely states "record" and NOT "rip-off". Thanks
again to Dave Mings for the observation.
Love_Vigilantes
PH: "How are you doing tonight? What's [tons of echo here obscures
the next couple of words] are you waiting for?"
Subculture and then Face_Up follow.
BS: "Thank you very much."
An edit at this point, likely the A/B flip.
Temptation and The_Perfect_Kiss close out the set.
Blue_Monday starts out the first encore. The tape garbles
a bit during the intro. Lots of audience participation on this
one.
BS: "And we're gonna finish with a very, very, very, very, very, very
old song tonight called Love_Will_Tear_Us_Apart."
Sister_Ray
The band come back out for a second encore.
Both Hooky and Barney speak during the intro, but I can't make out
what they're saying. Your help here would be appreciated.
During a break between choruses.
BS: "Turn the lights down a little bit. Turn them off, Andy, please."
'Slow ending' variant.
> > Subject: (Fac33) "I got a wank off a girl with a spotty back"
> >
> > "I got a wank off a girl with a spotty back"
> > Was that really the working title for TBTHOG ?
>
> I wouldn't doubt it was one of them.
>
> Their gig on 30 Jan 87 in Nagoya Japan has Bernard announcing
> Touched By The Hand Of God as "I've A One Time Girl Who's Called
> Me Back" (at least as best as I can make out).
>
> They must have had a rough flight that night, as Shellshock has
> the lovely couplet of "No matter how we try and try/In a plane
> we always die". Face Up also has an spot line about plane trouble.
> After they finish playing Subculture, Bernard asks the audience the
> profound question on what to do when you get itchy pubic hairs.
>
> Too bad the tape isn't any clearer, a lot of the stage banter
> is hard to make out, NO's Japanese gigs are especially interesting
> because Bernard seems to love to make bizarre pronouncements
> to audiences that speak little or no English. Unfortunately,
> more often than not he comes off as being a bit boorish, but I
> also suspect that NO had probably seen Spinal Tap a few times
> too, where Japan becomes the place where over-the-hill groups
> washed up in Europe and the US become popular in Japan for
> no particular logical reason (Think Dead Or Alive, for instance)
> Where crowds go apeshit even at what are intended to be derogatory
> insults. Pumped Full Of Drugs are rife with these. What's one
> to do? Combine that with the usual cocktail mix of alcohol and
> other chemicals, and you got yourself the splendid mess of a
> NO live gig.
NO: 02 FEB 87 Town Hall - Wellington, New Zealand
1 Love Vigilantes
2 Bizarre Love Triangle
3 Ceremony
4 Temptation
5 Every Little Counts
6 All Day Long
7 586
8 Way of Life
9 Blue Monday
10 Sunrise
11 Age of Consent
12 The Perfect Kiss
13 Do The Ostrich
NO: 04 FEB 87 The Galaxy - Auckland, New Zealand
And everyone else spends it somehow
Get on your fucking knees
And you do the begging cuz I won't please"
The rain and the sea and the fucking hours
Our love is like the powers
The rain and the sea and the...hours"
NO: 06 FEB 87 Bombay Rocks - Surfer's Paradise, Gold Coast Australia
> 2-4-87 auckland (galaxy)
> 2-6-87 surfer's paradise (bombay rocks)
> 2-7-87 brisbane (forgot club name)
> 870207 - The Generator - Gold Coast Australia >>
Do The Ostrich 06 Feb 87 Roxy - Brisbane, Australia
Do The Ostrich
You told me that I was a shit stream
But I don't care cuz you got a hairy twat
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do, Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
I couldn't care for me the fact that you were a deuce
When I looked at you at night
I thought that you were really shite
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich, baby!
You told me that I was no good
You have a hairy twat like...
You told me that...
Do the ostrich, baby!
Do the ostrich, baby!
Do the ostrich, baby!
NO: 07 FEB 87 The Roxy - Brisbane, Australia
NO: 09 FEB 87 Byron Bay Arts Centre - Byron Bay, Australia
> To: ceremony@monkey.org
> Subject: (Fac33) 2-9-87 byron bay s/c
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:58:34
>
> here's what i have
>
> 1. state of the nation instrumental
> 2. drumming
> 3. touched by the hand of god instrumental
> 4. elegia instrumental
> 5. subculture instrumental
> 6. bass medley: age of consent, lonesome tonight (very short)
> 7. sooner than you think instrumental
> 8. all day long (includes vocals)
>
> rough length is 64 minutes
>
> is there a comprehensive listing of available soundchecks? i think one
> of the best sounding ones is 3-11-83 brixton. it's really hard to keep
> check of them, though. of course, the 2-9-81 heaven ultradisco is probably
> the coolest because of the JD instrumentals.
>
> x
> mike (gotta get to bed)
When I am with you/
The vocals sound so dull/
I shouldn't listen to
I guess I should have known...
you compress this mess...?)
NO: 11 FEB 87 Dee Why Hotel - Sydney, Australia
You shine the lights in my eyes"
That my penis was pretty short
In those days when my dick was long
I used to cock the blondes all the time"
NO: 12 FEB 87 Enmore Theatre - Sydney, Australia
From: GaoBest
Subject: (Fac33) enmore theatre, sydney 2-12/13-87 setlists
let's go
state of the nation
angel dust *
way of life
thieves like us
all day long
weirdo
subculture
face up
temptation
the perfect kiss
encore:
love vigilantes
blt
"Angel Dust" is played between State of the Nation and Way Of Life.
NO: 13 FEB 87 Enmore Theatre - Sydney, Australia
From: GaoBest
Subject: (Fac33) enmore theatre, sydney 2-12/13-87 setlists
touched by the hand of doug *
ceremony
dreams never end
confusion
every little counts
as it is when it was
586
blt
sunrise
age of consent
blue monday
encore:
the ostrich>sister ray **
temptation
Mike
NO: 14 FEB 87 Selina's - Sydney, Australia
(Note: he leaves off Broken Promise)
Bizarre Love Triangle
Touched By The Hand Of God
Angel Dust
Your Silent Face
Love Vigilantes
Shellshock
Weirdo
Broken Promise
Everything's Gone Green
Face Up
Age of Consent
Subculture
Perfect Kiss
NO: 16 FEB 87 Thebarton Town Hall - Adelaide Australia
NO: 17 FEB 87 The Venue - Melbourne, Australia
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/870217_01-BelieveInLies.mp3
Of all the things I've tried
I hold my cunt at home
It's something I own..." (not sure about the wording on the last line)
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/870217_02-WatchYourLife.mp3
Like a broken knife
I can stab you in the nude(?)
You can't walk through..."
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/870217_03-BlindInOneEye.mp3
NO: 18 FEB 87 Festival Hall - Melbourne, Australia
> I've saved your prior email in my inbox waiting until I've gotten around
> to listening to this gig to answer, but okay, I guess I'll have to
> listen to the 870218 gig now. Expect a full writeup shortly...
>
> As to what you're hearing, That's not scratching...it sounds more like
> an analogue synth oscillator. It's still a really cool sound.
NO: 20 FEB 87 Canterbury Court - Perth, Australia
Let's Go
Way Of Life
Ceremony
Temptation
We All Stand
5-8-6
Angel Dust
Subculture
Sunrise
The Perfect Kiss
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Do The Ostrich
NO: 21 FEB 87 Red Parrot - Perth, Australia
In A Lonely Place,
(5-6 minute break with backing music)
Elegia
Sister Ray
I'd be a heavenly twat today
And I thought I was a bastard
And I thought I was a cunt
When your dick is small?
NO: 02 APR 87 Woolwich Coronet - Woolwich, England
NO: 04 APR 87 The Academy - Brixton, England
NO: 15 MAY 87 Pabellion - Mollerussa, Spain
NO: 06 JUN 87 Super Tent - Finsbury Park, London
NO: 08 JUN 87 The Roxy - Sheffield
Recorded 'down in front' it sounds like, very enthusiastic crowd.
NO: 09 JUN 87 Barrowlands - Glasgow
NO: 10 JUN 87 The Hacienda - Manchester
NO: 19 JUN 87 Glastonbury Festival - Glastonbury, England
NO: 30 JUN 87 Reading University - Reading, England
NO: 15 AUG 87 Pine Knob Amphitheatre - Clarkston, Michigan
NO: 21 AUG 87 Merriweather Post Pavilion
NO: 24 AUG 87 Mann Music Center - Philiadelphia PA
man : "What?"
woman: "What's his name?"
man : "Barney. That's the singer of New Order..."
NO: 25 AUG 87 Pier 84 - New York
NO: 26 AUG 87 Pier 84 - New York, New York
PH: "Thanks."
NO: 04 SEP 87 Darien Lakes Amusement Park - Buffalo, New York
Do The Ostrich 04 Sep 87 Darien Lakes Amusement Park - Buffalo, New York
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich, baby!
He told me that I was impossible to resist(?)
We're fucking with [2 words] away
You stupid cunts did not know it
"Do the ostrich" to them
Everybody used to be the [scum?]
Do the ostrich [?]
Fuck..Fuck...Fucking [?] was a [devil?]
We ask who's left? [?]
And we ask...
I don't [?] with them on one of his records
Oh fucking words[?] has a great big nose
But I don't want to have...nobody knows
I never bought a record of his
I never wear a [?] tight
But the man was a poet but he didn't know...
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich, baby!
NO: 05 SEP 87 Civic Center - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
NO: 12 SEP 87 Irvine Meadows - Irvine, CA
NO: 15 SEP 87 Compton Terrace - Phoenix, Arizona
02. Ceremony
03. Dreams Never End
04. Way Of Life
05. Blue Monday
06. Sooner Than You Think
07. Love Vigilantes
08. True Faith
09. Sub Culture
10. Temptation (tape flip, beginning missing)
11. The Perfect Kiss
13. Do The Ostrich
NO: 18 SEP 87 Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA
NO: 19 SEP 87 Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA
NO: 06 DEC 87 Philipshalle - Dusseldorf
NO: 08 DEC 87 Mutualite - Paris
NO: 10 DEC 87 Wembley Arena - London
New
Order
Net
NO: 27 JAN 87 Tokyo, Japan
NO: 29 JAN 87 Festival Hall - Osaka, Japan
NO: 30 JAN 87 Festival Hall - Nagoya, Japan
"In a plane we always fly"
> > Subject: (Fac33) "I got a wank off a girl with a spotty back"
> >
> > "I got a wank off a girl with a spotty back"
> > Was that really the working title for TBTHOG ?
>
> I wouldn't doubt it was one of them.
>
> Their gig on 30 Jan 87 in Nagoya Japan has Bernard announcing
> Touched By The Hand Of God as "I've A One Time Girl Who's Called
> Me Back" (at least as best as I can make out).
>
> They must have had a rough flight that night, as Shellshock has
> the lovely couplet of "No matter how we try and try/In a plane
> we always die". Face Up also has an spot line about plane trouble.
> After they finish playing Subculture, Bernard asks the audience the
> profound question on what to do when you get itchy pubic hairs.
>
> Too bad the tape isn't any clearer, a lot of the stage banter
> is hard to make out, NO's Japanese gigs are especially interesting
> because Bernard seems to love to make bizarre pronouncements
> to audiences that speak little or no English. Unfortunately,
> more often than not he comes off as being a bit boorish, but I
> also suspect that NO had probably seen Spinal Tap a few times
> too, where Japan becomes the place where over-the-hill groups
> washed up in Europe and the US become popular in Japan for
> no particular logical reason (Think Dead Or Alive, for instance)
> Where crowds go apeshit even at what are intended to be derogatory
> insults. Pumped Full Of Drugs are rife with these. What's one
> to do? Combine that with the usual cocktail mix of alcohol and
> other chemicals, and you got yourself the splendid mess of a
> NO live gig.
NO: 02 FEB 87 Town Hall - Wellington, New Zealand
1 Love Vigilantes
2 Bizarre Love Triangle
3 Ceremony
4 Temptation
5 Every Little Counts
6 All Day Long
7 586
8 Way of Life
9 Blue Monday
10 Sunrise
11 Age of Consent
12 The Perfect Kiss
13 Do The Ostrich
NO: 04 FEB 87 The Galaxy - Auckland, New Zealand
And everyone else spends it somehow
Get on your fucking knees
And you do the begging cuz I won't please"
The rain and the sea and the fucking hours
Our love is like the powers
The rain and the sea and the...hours"
NO: 06 FEB 87 Bombay Rocks - Surfer's Paradise, Gold Coast Australia
> 2-4-87 auckland (galaxy)
> 2-6-87 surfer's paradise (bombay rocks)
> 2-7-87 brisbane (forgot club name)
> 870207 - The Generator - Gold Coast Australia >>
Do The Ostrich 06 Feb 87 Roxy - Brisbane, Australia
Do The Ostrich
You told me that I was a shit stream
But I don't care cuz you got a hairy twat
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do, Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
I couldn't care for me the fact that you were a deuce
When I looked at you at night
I thought that you were really shite
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich!
Do the ostrich, baby!
You told me that I was no good
You have a hairy twat like...
You told me that...
Do the ostrich, baby!
Do the ostrich, baby!
Do the ostrich, baby!
NO: 07 FEB 87 The Roxy - Brisbane, Australia
NO: 09 FEB 87 Byron Bay Arts Centre - Byron Bay, Australia
> To: ceremony@monkey.org
> Subject: (Fac33) 2-9-87 byron bay s/c
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:58:34
>
> here's what i have
>
> 1. state of the nation instrumental
> 2. drumming
> 3. touched by the hand of god instrumental
> 4. elegia instrumental
> 5. subculture instrumental
> 6. bass medley: age of consent, lonesome tonight (very short)
> 7. sooner than you think instrumental
> 8. all day long (includes vocals)
>
> rough length is 64 minutes
>
> is there a comprehensive listing of available soundchecks? i think one
> of the best sounding ones is 3-11-83 brixton. it's really hard to keep
> check of them, though. of course, the 2-9-81 heaven ultradisco is probably
> the coolest because of the JD instrumentals.
>
> x
> mike (gotta get to bed)
When I am with you/
The vocals sound so dull/
I shouldn't listen to
I guess I should have known...
you compress this mess...?)
NO: 11 FEB 87 Dee Why Hotel - Sydney, Australia
You shine the lights in my eyes"
That my penis was pretty short
In those days when my dick was long
I used to cock the blondes all the time"
NO: 12 FEB 87 Enmore Theatre - Sydney, Australia
From: GaoBest
Subject: (Fac33) enmore theatre, sydney 2-12/13-87 setlists
let's go
state of the nation
angel dust *
way of life
thieves like us
all day long
weirdo
subculture
face up
temptation
the perfect kiss
encore:
love vigilantes
blt
"Angel Dust" is played between State of the Nation and Way Of Life.
NO: 13 FEB 87 Enmore Theatre - Sydney, Australia
From: GaoBest
Subject: (Fac33) enmore theatre, sydney 2-12/13-87 setlists
touched by the hand of doug *
ceremony
dreams never end
confusion
every little counts
as it is when it was
586
blt
sunrise
age of consent
blue monday
encore:
the ostrich>sister ray **
temptation
Mike
NO: 14 FEB 87 Selina's - Sydney, Australia
(Note: he leaves off Broken Promise)
Bizarre Love Triangle
Touched By The Hand Of God
Angel Dust
Your Silent Face
Love Vigilantes
Shellshock
Weirdo
Broken Promise
Everything's Gone Green
Face Up
Age of Consent
Subculture
Perfect Kiss
NO: 16 FEB 87 Thebarton Town Hall - Adelaide Australia
NO: 17 FEB 87 The Venue - Melbourne, Australia
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/870217_01-BelieveInLies.mp3
Of all the things I've tried
I hold my cunt at home
It's something I own..." (not sure about the wording on the last line)
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/870217_02-WatchYourLife.mp3
Like a broken knife
I can stab you in the nude(?)
You can't walk through..."
http://www.new-order.net/no/audio/lv/BarneySays/870217_03-BlindInOneEye.mp3
NO: 18 FEB 87 Festival Hall - Melbourne, Australia
> I've saved your prior email in my inbox waiting until I've gotten around
> to listening to this gig to answer, but okay, I guess I'll have to
> listen to the 870218 gig now. Expect a full writeup shortly...
>
> As to what you're hearing, That's not scratching...it sounds more like
> an analogue synth oscillator. It's still a really cool sound.
NO: 20 FEB 87 Canterbury Court - Perth, Australia
Let's Go
Way Of Life
Ceremony
Temptation
We All Stand
5-8-6
Angel Dust
Subculture
Sunrise
The Perfect Kiss
Love Will Tear Us Apart
Do The Ostrich
NO: 21 FEB 87 Red Parrot - Perth, Australia
In A Lonely Place,
(5-6 minute break with backing music)
Elegia
Sister Ray
I'd be a heavenly twat today
And I thought I was a bastard
And I thought I was a cunt
When your dick is small?
NO: 02 APR 87 Woolwich Coronet - Woolwich, England
NO: 04 APR 87 The Academy - Brixton, England
NO: 15 MAY 87 Pabellion - Mollerussa, Spain
NO: 06 JUN 87 Super Tent - Finsbury Park, London
NO: 08 JUN 87 The Roxy - Sheffield
Recorded 'down in front' it sounds like, very enthusiastic crowd.
NO: 09 JUN 87 Barrowlands - Glasgow
NO: 10 JUN 87 The Hacienda - Manchester
NO: 19 JUN 87 Glastonbury Festival - Glastonbury, England
NO: 30 JUN 87 Reading University - Reading, England
NO: 15 AUG 87 Pine Knob Amphitheatre - Clarkston, Michigan
NO: 21 AUG 87 Merriweather Post Pavilion
NO: 24 AUG 87 Mann Music Center - Philiadelphia PA
man : "What?"
woman: "What's his name?"
man : "Barney. That's the singer of New Order..."
NO: 25 AUG 87 Pier 84 - New York
NO: 26 AUG 87 Pier 84 - New York, New York
PH: "Thanks."
NO: 04 SEP 87 Darien Lakes Amusement Park - Buffalo, New York
Do The Ostrich 04 Sep 87 Darien Lakes Amusement Park - Buffalo, New York
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich, baby!
He told me that I was impossible to resist(?)
We're fucking with [2 words] away
You stupid cunts did not know it
"Do the ostrich" to them
Everybody used to be the [scum?]
Do the ostrich [?]
Fuck..Fuck...Fucking [?] was a [devil?]
We ask who's left? [?]
And we ask...
I don't [?] with them on one of his records
Oh fucking words[?] has a great big nose
But I don't want to have...nobody knows
I never bought a record of his
I never wear a [?] tight
But the man was a poet but he didn't know...
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich
Do the ostrich, baby!
NO: 05 SEP 87 Civic Center - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
NO: 12 SEP 87 Irvine Meadows - Irvine, CA
NO: 15 SEP 87 Compton Terrace - Phoenix, Arizona
02. Ceremony
03. Dreams Never End
04. Way Of Life
05. Blue Monday
06. Sooner Than You Think
07. Love Vigilantes
08. True Faith
09. Sub Culture
10. Temptation (tape flip, beginning missing)
11. The Perfect Kiss
13. Do The Ostrich
NO: 18 SEP 87 Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA
NO: 19 SEP 87 Greek Theatre - Berkeley, CA
NO: 06 DEC 87 Philipshalle - Dusseldorf
NO: 08 DEC 87 Mutualite - Paris
NO: 10 DEC 87 Wembley Arena - London